NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

[homeless kid]

It's laughable how it doesn't matter what us or they do, they'll always spin it in someway to laugh at Sunderland. I'll never understand the sheer, blinding arrogance of a set of supporters like I do Mags.

Saw something on Twitter whereby Mags were laughing at our players for printing their boarding tickets off, that's after laughing at the fact the airport only references one city... (Despite being funded by Tyne and Wear)

Utterly pathetic, where this superiority complex comes from i'll never know if I live until im 100.

Laughing at their white socks and in fact they were laughing at them for wearing their Sunderland tracksuits

If they’d been photographed wearing their own clothes it would’ve been “haha they can’t even afford tracksuits”

 

[The Fish]

He had an interest in running a sustainable debt-free football club. If he'd called it a project you lot would have lapped it up.

He spent when you went down and brought you up. He kept you up and realised that throwing money about the way the fans wanted was likely to be a pointless exercise because he couldn't possibly compete financially with the big boys.

Do Brighton fans whine about their ownership in the same way your lot do about Ashley? Or Palace? Or any other middle order team?

Bottom line is, most of your fans believe you to be a sleeping giant that Ashkey ruined by nit throwing his own cash about. History shows you had a few good seasons that nearly bankrupted your team

This bit I put in bold is important. Brighton, Palace both have ambitions for more; they want to be the best versions of themselves they can achieve. This means they try and build sustainable growth. They employ shrewd football men to run their club with joined up thinking. When Brighton hired a director to oversee short, mid and long-term strategy they found an excellent candidate and trusted him. Ashley gave the job to; Dennis Wise, Joe Kinnear, Bob Moncur and then binned them off sharpish when they didn't dance to his tune.

Had Ashley invested in the facilities, the academy, the stadium, the scouting network, the coaching staff and signed off on a transfer strategy that prioritised football over resale value, then no, Newcastle fans wouldn't have been so vehemently opposed to him. But, he didn't do any of that.

 

[Binxy]

Even if you disregard the Intertoto we were in Europe 10/14 seasons prior to Ashley, that's pretty regular if you ask me.

There was a lot of "Ashley isn't bad, look at Wigan ffs!" from other fans. Which, if you were to extrapolate it across football, no fanbase can complain about their owner/how their club is run, unless they support the very worst run club on the planet.

I, and everyone I know, were excited about Kenyon's proposal, or the Mexican group, or anybody other than Ashley. That it's the Saudis is a damning indictment of Ashley, the O&D test, the PL, the FA and the British Government. They were the only group that had a bid accepted, so they were the only takeover available to us. We wanted ANY takeover, so groups of Newcastle fans did their utmost to push it through. Ultimately nothing we did had any influence on the deal as it was the Saudis ending the state sanctioned piracy of Qatar's broadcasting that broke the deadlock.

Your last point is funny mind. We were roundly mocked on here for demanding Mbappe and Haaland when no one was. Now that the fans are pleased with the signings of Pope, Burn, Targett you're trying to make out like they're bad/disappointing signings? Literally every signing we've made is an upgrade on what was here already.

maybe 30% of this is true, the rest is just your bias.

How many times does it need pointing out to you.
You were spending beyond your means.
If continued you could have been another Leeds or worse.

 

[Deleted member 1169]

I like this stuff.
What is the average positions for the "big 6"? I think i saw once that man uniteds was about 8th, Liverpool was 3rd maybe iirc

I need to do some work to update all my sheets but LFC is 7.95 (all time) and 3.4 (since 1962) with a s.d. of 2.2. Incredible!

EFC all time is 9.8th and 10.4 in prem era. Only ever spent 4 seasons (from 123) out of top flight.

MCFC all time is 13.3 and WWII to takeover is 16th. Since 2008 it is 2.6!

WHU 18.1...all time.

I need to do some work to update all my sheets but LFC is 7.95 (all time) and 3.4 (since 1962) with a s.d. of 2.2. Incredible!

EFC all time is 9.8th and 10.4 in prem era. Only ever spent 4 seasons (from 123) out of top flight.

MCFC all time is 13.3 and WWII to takeover is 16th. Since 2008 it is 2.6!

WHU 18.1...all time.

I just found this that I did in response to a mag on twitter ages ago (obviously once some Sevilla player turned them down) .....the sense of self importance is incredible.

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[The Fish]

How many times does it need pointing out to you.
You were spending beyond your means.
If continued you could have been another Leeds or worse.

It could have, but it could also have not, it's hard to predict. IF we had continued to gamble on expensive players it's likely that we'd have to have cut costs soon. Would we have necessarily entered administration and suffered double relegations like Leeds? It's possible, but not guaranteed.

Ashley didn't do his due diligence and had to take on the debt (and was repaid via the sale). You make him out to be a financial saviour, when, in truth, any competent owner would have capitalised on our position in football at the time, and grown the club and the brand in line with others around us. Our commercial revenue stagnated under Ashley. At best he kept us ticking along.

Put it this way, if Ashley was such a good owner for Newcastle United why in the world would the most foam at the mouth Newcastle hating MLFs praise him? Surely, if he was good for us, that's not what they want? Could it be, could it possibly be, that because we didn't like him, they'll twist themselves in knots trying to make him out to be good and us unreasonable? Simirarly, we liked Benitez, and there were pages and pages and pages about how he is/was a fraud. We like Howe and already their knives are out for him. Should he piss on Robson's statue, get us relegated next year and call Shearer a **** on MOTD we'll turn on him, then the same RTG fanatics will be armed to the teeth with arguments in his defence. It's as predictable as it is pathetic.

 

[What A Waster]

I need to do some work to update all my sheets but LFC is 7.95 (all time) and 3.4 (since 1962) with a s.d. of 2.2. Incredible!

EFC all time is 9.8th and 10.4 in prem era. Only ever spent 4 seasons (from 123) out of top flight.

MCFC all time is 13.3 and WWII to takeover is 16th. Since 2008 it is 2.6!

WHU 18.1...all time.

I just found this that I did in response to a mag on twitter ages ago (obviously once some Sevilla player turned them down) .....the sense of self importance is incredible.

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Apart from Everton everybody over achieved last season then

 

[Skylon]

It could have, but it could also have not, it's hard to predict. IF we had continued to gamble on expensive players it's likely that we'd have to have cut costs soon. Would we have necessarily entered administration and suffered double relegations like Leeds? It's possible, but not guaranteed.

Ashley didn't do his due diligence and had to take on the debt (and was repaid via the sale). You make him out to be a financial saviour, when, in truth, any competent owner would have capitalised on our position in football at the time, and grown the club and the brand in line with others around us. Our commercial revenue stagnated under Ashley. At best he kept us ticking along.

Put it this way, if Ashley was such a good owner for Newcastle United why in the world would the most foam at the mouth Newcastle hating MLFs praise him? Surely, if he was good for us, that's not what they want? Could it be, could it possibly be, that because we didn't like him, they'll twist themselves in knots trying to make him out to be good and us unreasonable? Simirarly, we liked Benitez, and there were pages and pages and pages about how he is/was a fraud. We like Howe and already their knives are out for him. Should he piss on Robson's statue, get us relegated next year and call Shearer a **** on MOTD we'll turn on him, then the same RTG fanatics will be armed to the teeth with arguments in his defence. It's as predictable as it is pathetic.

Jeeeez, just read that last paragraph, and it's you twisting yourself in knots. You seem very het up.Don't get too upset over stuff man, it's just a messageboard. I would take a break if I were you, it cannot be good for you getting riled like this

 

[Binxy]

It could have, but it could also have not, it's hard to predict. IF we had continued to gamble on expensive players it's likely that we'd have to have cut costs soon. Would we have necessarily entered administration and suffered double relegations like Leeds? It's possible, but not guaranteed.

Ashley didn't do his due diligence and had to take on the debt (and was repaid via the sale). You make him out to be a financial saviour, when, in truth, any competent owner would have capitalised on our position in football at the time, and grown the club and the brand in line with others around us. Our commercial revenue stagnated under Ashley. At best he kept us ticking along.

Put it this way, if Ashley was such a good owner for Newcastle United why in the world would the most foam at the mouth Newcastle hating MLFs praise him? Surely, if he was good for us, that's not what they want? Could it be, could it possibly be, that because we didn't like him, they'll twist themselves in knots trying to make him out to be good and us unreasonable? Simirarly, we liked Benitez, and there were pages and pages and pages about how he is/was a fraud. We like Howe and already their knives are out for him. Should he piss on Robson's statue, get us relegated next year and call Shearer a **** on MOTD we'll turn on him, then the same RTG fanatics will be armed to the teeth with arguments in his defence. It's as predictable as it is pathetic.

No one's praising Ashley or making him out to be a brilliant owner.

People just point out he was nowhere near as bad as you lot make out and that your so called glory years were unsustainabl and built on debt.

 

[BigPete]

Has the Co-Ops most wanted been banned recently?

Back in force filling page full of shite

 

[Roker Mackem]

Has the Co-Ops most wanted been banned recently?

Back in force filling page full of shite

Ran out of cat treats

 

[Skylon]

No one's praising Ashley or making him out to be a brilliant owner.

People just point out he was nowhere near as bad as you lot make out and that your so called glory years were unsustainabl and built on debt.

And he says it's us twisting stuff. Is this the fella that got upset over cat food? I can see why ,after reading that codswallop

 

[The Fish]

Jeeeez, just read that last paragraph, and it's you twisting yourself in knots. You seem very het up.Don't get too upset over stuff man, it's just a messageboard. I would take a break if I were you, it cannot be good for you getting riled like this

Not het up at all man, this is all sport.

No one's praising Ashley or making him out to be a brilliant owner.

People just point out he was nowhere near as bad as you lot make out and that your so called glory years were unsustainabl and built on debt.

Howay man, you're claiming he saved us from financial ruin, when financial ruin wasn't guaranteed and we were £100m in debt right up to the sale. He antagonised the fans, treated players, staff, press poorly. You might think we overreacted to him, but that's because you were looking at our reactions to his ownership through red and white specs.

It's just the same old thing, NUFC fans like/dislike X or Y, some Sunderland fans must therefore dislike/like X or Y, acting on some kind of Pavlovian instinct. Pardew, Ashley, Benitez, the list goes on. It's weird.

 

[Skylon]

Not het up at all man, this is all sport.

Howay man, you're claiming he saved us from financial ruin, when financial ruin wasn't guaranteed and we were £100m in debt right up to the sale. He antagonised the fans, treated players, staff, press poorly. You might think we overreacted to him, but that's because you were looking at our reactions to his ownership through red and white specs.

It's just the same old thing, NUFC fans like/dislike X or Y, some Sunderland fans must therefore dislike/like X or Y, acting on some kind of Pavlovian instinct. Pardew, Ashley, Benitez, the list goes on. It's weird.

Woooooah man. Take a break man, this cannot be good for you (criticism of us looking through red and white specs, whilst looking at stuff with a massive pair of black and white specs on!)

 

[Binxy]

Not het up at all man, this is all sport.

Howay man, you're claiming he saved us from financial ruin, when financial ruin wasn't guaranteed and we were £100m in debt right up to the sale. He antagonised the fans, treated players, staff, press poorly. You might think we overreacted to him, but that's because you were looking at our reactions to his ownership through red and white specs.

It's just the same old thing, NUFC fans like/dislike X or Y, some Sunderland fans must therefore dislike/like X or Y, acting on some kind of Pavlovian instinct. Pardew, Ashley, Benitez, the list goes on. It's weird.

You wanted him to spend millions upon millions to be winning stuff.
Well here's a newsflash, every set of fans up and down the country from Sunderland to Middlesbrough and f***ing Hartlepool want that as well.
The difference is we don't go on like a set of bellends about it claiming it's effecting our mental health or claiming 14 years of hell.

 

[Banks]

Even if you disregard the Intertoto we were in Europe 10/14 seasons prior to Ashley, that's pretty regular if you ask me.

There was a lot of "Ashley isn't bad, look at Wigan ffs!" from other fans. Which, if you were to extrapolate it across football, no fanbase can complain about their owner/how their club is run, unless they support the very worst run club on the planet.

I, and everyone I know, were excited about Kenyon's proposal, or the Mexican group, or anybody other than Ashley. That it's the Saudis is a damning indictment of Ashley, the O&D test, the PL, the FA and the British Government. They were the only group that had a bid accepted, so they were the only takeover available to us. We wanted ANY takeover, so groups of Newcastle fans did their utmost to push it through. Ultimately nothing we did had any influence on the deal as it was the Saudis ending the state sanctioned piracy of Qatar's broadcasting that broke the deadlock.

Your last point is funny mind. We were roundly mocked on here for demanding Mbappe and Haaland when no one was. Now that the fans are pleased with the signings of Pope, Burn, Targett you're trying to make out like they're bad/disappointing signings? Literally every signing we've made is an upgrade on what was here already.

maybe 30% of this is true, the rest is just your bias.

European football has been running long before 1992.

You have never been regularly in Europe other than your purple patch under Keegan and Dalglish.

3 seasons prior to Ashley's take over you didn't qualify for Europe yet its Ashley's fault

 

[The Fish]

You wanted him to spend millions upon millions to be winning stuff.
Well here's a newsflash, every set of fans up and down the country from Sunderland to Middlesbrough and f***ing Hartlepool want that as well.
The difference is we don't go on like a set of bellends about it claiming it's effecting our mental health or claiming 14 years of hell.

I mean, some of you did go on like a set of bellends, so lets not just make stuff up.

I can speak for the fans I know, we just wanted the club to show ambition. Ashley was a doylem that made us shit with a string of bad decisions and petty decisions. We just come back to the same thing, you support Sunderland and because of this are incapable of objectivity when it comes to Newcastle. When you're challenged on that you reel off RTG-approved lines about deluded Geordies, boycoutts, accusing me of being riled up and, of course, accusing me of being Ian Cusack.

Ashley was shit, press and pundits say so, ex-players and managers say so, even Mike Ashley says he wasn't good for us. So you have to ask yourself, why do you think you know better than all of them?

 

[Mark E Smith]

Out of interest. What happens with all this is Boris/the tories get ousted,

Nowt I reckon. The new leader will be equally accommodating to the Saudi murderers.

 

[Binxy]

European football has been running long before 1992.

You have never been regularly in Europe other than your purple patch under Keegan and Dalglish.

3 seasons prior to Ashley's take over you didn't qualify for Europe yet its Ashley's fault

You forgetting all those great European nights in the 60s, 70,s and 80s?......oh wait.

 

[The Fish]

European football has been running long before 1992.

You have never been regularly in Europe other than your purple patch under Keegan and Dalglish.

3 seasons prior to Ashley's take over you didn't qualify for Europe yet its Ashley's fault

? He bought us in May 07.
06/07 we got into the UEFA Cup via Intertoto
05/06 we were in the Intertoto SF
04/05 we got to the QF of the UEFA Cup
03/04 we dropped into the UEFA Cup (got to the SF) from the Champions League

So, other than 05/06 we were in the UEFA Cup. 3 Seasons before his takeover (03/04) we were in the Champions League.

 

[Exile 1968]

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To all the Mags saying that Ashley was shit & defending the Saudis owning their club, an ownership that 120k signed a petition to make happen, this is what your owners do. You should be f***ing ashamed of yourselves.