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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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What will happen to the weapons we are providing ukraine if they lose. Would the russians confiscate them. Are the weapons going to odessa or kiev?

I believe the russians will turn on putin and that it is only a matter of time. The demos are growing. This song is so relevant today.

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Mercia Blackcat said:
He doesn't need to talk of denazification if he gets Ukraine to disarm its military. He can come back anytime he wants then to complete the job.

You can't trust any agreement he will make.
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Which is why it has to be pitched so he can claim a win but doesn’t actually get anything unless Russia moves into Western group of democratic countries.
Ukraine will hold referenda overseen by international observers including Russia in 3 contested areas.
Ukraine will sign a mutual non aggression pact with Russia
Ukraine will not join NATO but reserves right to sign a mutual Defence agreement - no Nato forces on Ukraine soil unless Ukraine is attacked
Ukraine will not seek nuclear weapons and agrees to any UN inspections
Ukraine can join EU but no EU military in Ukraine and it has a compulsory opt out on any EU military force.
Russia is invited to join NATO and Eu and sanctions are removed as milestones are met
All the above on immediate withdrawal of Russian forces
 
SYB_DC said:
Aside from Moldova, Georgia (which he already did go after), Azerbaijan, and Armenia, there's a pretty big difference: those places are either in the EU or NATO, both of which have collective security provisions.
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Would the EU or NATO take military action against Russia? I‘ve got my doubts…
 
Lord Alfred said:
You'd imagine that eventually the supply lines will be cut off and most of the Ukrainian Fighters encircled in cities.
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If you agree peace on these terms offered then before you know it no one gives a fuck about Ukraine. They legally signed over their territory and agreed to become a satellite country of Russia. Over the coming months Russia is let back into the club with a tap on the wrist and a few years from now when you mention this war people will say "Oh, I'd forgotten about that".

Ukrainian people of today are not just fighting for themselves and loved ones but for future generations. Make this Russia's Vietnam, history tells us that no matter how powerful the opponent they can't withstand constant aggression from the oppressed year on year.
 
We must not give into Putins demands now. We must go for the kill. Keep turning the screw and Putin will be overthrown.

We are not at war with Russia, we are at war with Putin and his cronies. Only when they’re gone can we let Russia back into the fold. We must also work very hard to bring them on side. The Russian people on the whole want to be more westernised.
 
Bulwell said:
If you agree peace on these terms offered then before you know it no one gives a fuck about Ukraine. They legally signed over their territory and agreed to become a satellite country of Russia. Over the coming months Russia is let back into the club with a tap on the wrist and a few years from now when you mention this war people will say "Oh, I'd forgotten about that".

Ukrainian people of today are not just fighting for themselves and loved ones but for future generations. Make this Russia's Vietnam, history tells us that no matter how powerful the opponent they can't withstand constant aggression from the oppressed year on year.
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It's for Ukrainians to decide mate, I'm just offering an opinion that ultimately means fuck all.
 
Surely the compromise is a referendum in Donbass region overseen by a third party? Can't see Ukraine agreeing to not joining EU or NATO.

I think there'll be a lot more to it than the headline demands that we get to see. I suspect there'll be disagreements about the North Crimean Canal. When Ukraine blocked it up it made Crimea less worthwhile, massively shrinking the arable land. Russian forces have reopened at least part of it during the conflict according to reports. Ukraine will probably want some assurances about the Azov Sea and Kerch Strait too.
 
Georgewhitt said:
I have always thought they stopped wars, because we all have them, and don't want to use them. Turns out I was wrong, because Putin has gone to war and everyone is scared shitless to get involved.
So they're like nipples on a bloke mate, no use at all.
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"In a world of nuclear weapons, the enemy is war itself" from the Crimson Tide movie.
 
Germany and Netherlands opposing Ukraine being granted candidate status to join EU:

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The media across Europe has gone into the expected mode of all out support for the US led NATO alliance, but the actions of some European politicians are telling a slightly different story
 
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