Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I’m not talking about what he’s said about the next ten years. I’m talking about what he’s done over the last ten.

He demonstrably doesn’t just “talk”. Unlike the spineless west, he also “does”,

Well he hasn’t swept through Europe. And there is no real reason to think he will

 

[Sweeper]

Well he hasn’t swept through Europe. And there is no real reason to think he will

He’s made a start. And we’ve cowered in the corner pissing our pants whilst he has.

The message is clear - help yourself Vlad.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

He’s made a start. And we’ve cowered in the corner pissing our pants whilst he has.

The message is clear - help yourself Vlad.

We will agree to disagree I guess

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

It’s done Brize Norton Northolt>Tunisia>Malta>Georgia>Cyprus since Wed. Is it normally based in Cyprus? What’s it supposed to be doing?

Training/Intelligence/Hanging about just incase?

 

[MonkeyLove]

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Mental that video on the article

Been amazingly lucky to survive that. Even one or two but 5 is but a lottery ticket stuff

 

[Concordsafc]

Well he hasn’t swept through Europe. And there is no real reason to think he will

1) the main reason he couldn’t.

 

[Suomifinland]

The exposure of Russian money in the government has been a disgrace but we have labour politicians lauding the arrival of Saudi's at Newcastle United.. .

All in it for themselves

That's kind of reverse whatabboutery.

1. Gobshite rent a gob newcastle MP vs genuinely in the pocket Govt + PM.
2. Newcastle MP doesn't influence national UK security.
3. No link of Saudi to brexit as far as we know.
4. Saudis never directly attacked UK as far as we know. No Novichok or polonium.
5. Saudis haven't invaded anyone.
6. Saudis haven't just put their nuke fleet on alert. In fact they haven't got nukes.
7. Bombs falling on Yemen might well be British. One's falling on Ukraine certainly are not.

 

[Lankester Merrin]

I think he’s on about that fact this is about the Russia/Ukraine war, not brexit. Go to that post and talk about brexit

The road to the war in Ukraine leads through a decade or more of Russian formal and informal warfare

You can try and pretend otherwise, but that doesn't stop it from being true

Why do some many right wingers want to stop this debate taking place?

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

1) the main reason he couldn’t.

He still can’t

 

[Concordsafc]

He’s made a start. And we’ve cowered in the corner pissing our pants whilst he has.

The message is clear - help yourself Vlad.

Could you really see him going through

All the Baltic states, France, Germany, Italy etc

 

[Metro Man]

Because it makes the discussion infantile

We can talk about Fiona hill's essays on the long war, or on multi-front war, but we can't talk about aspects of that long war like Trump or Brexit

We can talk about Russian expecting the West to be disunited and divided, but we can't talk about the work that Russia did to make the West disunited and divided like Trump and Brexit

This isn't about threads, it's about right wingers trying to censor views that make them feel uncomforable

if you want a soft play area go watch CBeebies

There you go again with the insults, so I'll join you......

What a sad obsessed humourless individual you must be.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Could you really see him going through

All the Baltic states, France, Germany, Italy etc

Course not. The very idea is absurd

 

[Bulwell]

I’m sorry but yet again that’s bolocks. The Russians have very capable hardware. Some of the stuff they have is top of the range. They have tactical nukes and they haven’t yet used some of the stuff they have up their sleeve. They’re shit and look absolutely amateur but let’s be honest here that’s a load of shite

Not saying your wrong by any means but matey who wrote the the thread has a much more informed opinion than you I daresay.

However I agree with you in that I struggle to believe it either that Russia are running on fumes attacking a land border neighbour not even a fortnight in.

 

[BigPete]

Could you really see him going through

All the Baltic states, France, Germany, Italy etc

Not a chance

 

[Suomifinland]

Putting aside the rather sensationalist claim about the “U.K. govt” - if we genuinely think he would start a nuclear war otherwise, why wouldn’t we also just back off and let him have the Baltic NATO states?

A piece of paper? We would find our conscience and our bollocks over a piece of paper, rather than the lives of innocent Ukrainians?

If Baltics were threatened then Nato would act.

 

[brandon]

This is a brilliant post mate, and absolutely spot on. Putin should be rightly admonished and pressure should be continually applied on him, but there should also be a focus on how the west engineered regime change in Ukraine.
Joe Biden who was then Vice President had his dirty mitts all over it, the US state department spent 5 billion dollars 'influencing' Ukrainian politicians and companies.
And while these politicians try to shape the world how they want it, the poeple who always suffer are innocent civilians.

We’ve got a live one

 

[Sweeper]

That's kind of reverse whatabboutery.

1. Gobshite rent a gob newcastle MP vs genuinely in the pocket Govt + PM.
2. Newcastle MP doesn't influence national UK security.
3. No link of Saudi to brexit as far as we know.
4. Saudis never directly attacked UK as far as we know. No Novichok or polonium.
5. Saudis haven't invaded anyone.
6. Saudis haven't just put their nuke fleet on alert. In fact they haven't got nukes.
7. Bombs falling on Yemen might well be British. One's calling on Ukraine certainly are not.

What about the Labour shadow minister who took hundreds of thousands of pounds from a Chinese govt agent?

The reality is that all politicians move in circles of connected and - yes - rich people. It’s part of their job.

What is definitely growing tiresome is the idea that our politics or govt is in any meaningful way “corrupt”. It’s an insult to the billions of people who live under actual corrupt governments.

 

[Concordsafc]

We’ve got a live one

I don’t think we have I think we have people with multiple logins showing themselves up

 

[Dun Scathach]

Been amazingly lucky to survive that. Even one or two but 5 is but a lottery ticket stuff

I think they were supposed to survive it.

Perhaps like the nuclear plant attack last night the Russians have moved to the next phase in their strategy, provocation of the west.

Putin is losing and needs a reaction from the west.

 

[sonson]

Putting aside the rather sensationalist claim about the “U.K. govt” - if we genuinely think he would start a nuclear war otherwise, why wouldn’t we also just back off and let him have the Baltic NATO states?

A piece of paper? We would find our conscience and our bollocks over a piece of paper, rather than the lives of innocent Ukrainians?

There's innocent people of all stripes died to tyrants so far this century all over the world. None of them deserved to die.

But the inaction over them would suggest that the Ukrainians are unlikely to be an exception to the rule.

The fundamental reason so much has heen done in respect to opposing Putin is because the West has been so invested with his fortunes and so passive in response to his agression over the past decade that a lot of work is required to decouple itself from his now naked tyranny and to try and make up for that enabling

But he hasn't become a tyrant overnight, which Is why its facile to equate this as a matter of good and evil. Or rather, Putin is evil in my mind but thats not the reason for the West's response and its consequent actions won't be based upon a moral compass that mone of them agree upon anyway.

It's about the strategic and political interest of Western paeties. And those factors will decide the fate of innocent Ukrainians in the same way it has decided the fare of Afghans and Yazidi and Yemeni and Palestinian and Congoloese and so on.