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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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McMackem said:
I wonder if Ukraine gave up the two rebel held regions permanently that seem to be less keen to be Ukranian, would Putin take that as a victory, cut his losses (and give up fragile gains) elsewhere and this could be put on the back burner again. NATO decides it doesn't want to expand and we all go back to being bad neighbours.
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That is possibly the only way out of this.
 

Lord Alfred said:
Unfortunately it's only very early in the game. No fucker is bothered about Afghanistan at the moment and I fear this conflict will be long running with Russian occupancy and an insurgency.
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The problem is that they 'sold' this as a virtual war of liberation, getting rid of drug taking Nazis. Suspect the Russian soldiers are as confused as their citizens will soon be that they haven't been welcomed with open arms.

Even Hitler knew that denigrating your enemies in advance as being a rollover is a mistake, which he saw first hand in the First world war when the Keiser's talk about the British being contemptible and sure to run away proved less than correct once the trenches were dug.

How can Putin keep telling his country that Ukraine needs liberating when it becomes a war of attrition lasting months. Well he can, but expecting it to be believed long term is a stretch.
 
Cow said:
Bravo that man!!!!!👏👏👏👏. Post of the thread that one. 100% agree with it. How we get there though as you say is a huge ask….very much doubt those across the pond will be keen on that
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In theory we already have this with the UN, in practice we need to find a way to make it effective instead of toothless and that means ending the single nation veto.
If the Security council passes a motion with say a 2/3 majority, it should escalated to all member states to vote on and implemented with a similar majority.
 
McMackem said:
I wonder if Ukraine gave up the two rebel held regions permanently that seem to be less keen to be Ukranian, would Putin take that as a victory, cut his losses (and give up fragile gains) elsewhere and this could be put on the back burner again. NATO decides it doesn't want to expand and we all go back to being bad neighbours.
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That's the basic framework of a solution, but there would have to be something that allowed Ukraine to align more closely with the west for it to be palatable for them.

And I don't think Russia would agree to that.
 
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Sunderland2022 said:
I’m being very selfish here, I just don’t want us to get involved. I have no idea how we can stop him without being at war. I can’t concentrate on anything else at the minute.
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Don’t think it’s selfish to be scared or worried. Anyone who isn’t is lying imo.

Unfortunately, the world also needs to stand up to bullies, and that needs fortitude.
 
Concordsafc said:
Said earlier this is bigger than politics it’s about Humankind.
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Which is a lovely thought, but we rely on our politicians to do the right thing - which is even more important during a war (or a global pandemic) than it would be in peace time.

That is why it is important that we continue to discuss these issues. Continue to call out the corruption, incompetence and negligence.
 
jcrossan said:
The problem is that they 'sold' this as a virtual war of liberation, getting rid of drug taking Nazis. Suspect the Russian soldiers are as confused as their citizens will soon be that they haven't been welcomed with open arms.

Even Hitler knew that denigrating your enemies in advance as being a rollover is a mistake, which he saw first hand in the First world war when the Keiser's talk about the British being contemptible and sure to run away proved less than correct once the trenches were dug.

How can Putin keep telling his country that Ukraine needs liberating when it becomes a war of attrition lasting months. Well he can, but expecting it to be believed long term is a stretch.
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Unfortunately Russia isn't the West in terms of political opposition and freedom to protest.
 
Wild Card said:
All political leaders should have their social media accounts confiscated during times like this. One soundbite designed for cheap political point scoring could have serious implications.

Put out messages when needed, from one government account that speaks for the leadership, controlled by someone with a functioning brain.
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I massively agree with the sentiment however I can see a flaw in your argument
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
They need democracy
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What an arrogant, ‘western’ way of looking at it. What gives you the right to tell the biggest nation and most mixed culture country on the planet what they need and don’t need? It’s quite clear the only thing they ‘need’ is a leader who doesn’t start wars. Not many things boil my piss on here but your comment is one of them like. f***ing arrogance beyond belief….and it’s not just you either, it’s a cultural thing in the west, ‘we know best’…oh lease, fuck off. (Not you, was rhetorical)
 
jcrossan said:
The problem is that they 'sold' this as a virtual war of liberation, getting rid of drug taking Nazis. Suspect the Russian soldiers are as confused as their citizens will soon be that they haven't been welcomed with open arms.

Even Hitler knew that denigrating your enemies in advance as being a rollover is a mistake, which he saw first hand in the First world war when the Keiser's talk about the British being contemptible and sure to run away proved less than correct once the trenches were dug.

How can Putin keep telling his country that Ukraine needs liberating when it becomes a war of attrition lasting months. Well he can, but expecting it to be believed long term is a stretch.
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His bigest problem will be that the Russian population have access to information sources that aren't controlled by his propoganda machine.
 
Cow said:
What an arrogant, ‘western’ way of looking at it. What gives you the right to tell the biggest nation and most mixed culture country on the planet what they need and don’t need? It’s quite clear the only thing they ‘need’ is a leader who doesn’t start wars. Not many things boil my piss on here but your comment is one of them like. f***ing arrogance beyond belief….and it’s not just you either, it’s a cultural thing in the west, ‘we know best’…oh lease, fuck off. (Not you, was rhetorical)
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Nah, they need a democracy.
 
Lord Alfred said:
Unfortunately Russia isn't the West in terms of political opposition and freedom to protest.
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True. but they have had two revolutions in the past hundred or so years that were vastly more widespread and definitive than virtually any other country in Europe. To think Russians are endlessly pliant and will accept a dictator for evermore would not be what history shows us.
 
Unless the Tweet has the Blue Tick, I don't read it, the ticked ones I read with a large pinch of salt, I do think this thread should be used just for information and the petty squabbles should be taken to another Thread in Politics
Maybe I should start one with the title, Post all your off-topic opinions and tit for tat here! :confused:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it messes up the topic to have to wade through discussions that are not relevant.
 
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