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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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The Mole said:
Surely cannot be right???
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You've got to be kidding. A chunk of 'professional services' like law firms and property firms have been up to their necks in helping Russians, Azerbaijans, Malaysians and corrupt people from across the world launder their money through London. Why would they stop just because children are having to sleep in tube stations to avoid being blown to pieces?
 
sonson said:
The irony of you posting this in a year when the most openly corrupt Government in our history funded by Russian interests, who have appointed Russians to peerages, and who are literally legislating
to stop public protest, make voting harder etc through legislation is obviously lost on you.

Or indeed, you telling me to be quiet simply because you disagree with me.

If you can't control your own blood temperature coming across opinions you disagree with while on a site where people are entirely free to aire their opposing opinions, thats on you.

FWIW I know people from countries where precisely those things you talk about take place. And its precisely those people most concerned about the UK Governments anti democratic actions and affiliations and its populations inability to see it. So I'll go by their life experience of actual despotism to inform my moral perspective on the issue.
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A Russian mad man invades another country, to over throw the government, killing many in the process and you bring up our past on a thread discussing the evolving crisis in Ukraine, why?
 
sonson said:
The irony of you posting this in a year when the most openly corrupt Government in our history funded by Russian interests, who have appointed Russians to peerages, and who are literally legislating
to stop public protest, make voting harder etc through legislation is obviously lost on you.

Or indeed, you telling me to be quiet simply because you disagree with me.

If you can't control your own blood temperature coming across opinions you disagree with while on a site where people are entirely free to aire their opposing opinions, thats on you.

FWIW I know people from countries where precisely those things you talk about take place. And its precisely those people most concerned about the UK Governments anti democratic actions and affiliations and its populations inability to see it. So I'll go by their life experience of actual despotism to inform my moral perspective on the issue.
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I’m all for your right to state your opinions. As I am for my right to call out this kind of nonsensical crap. If you think the Western democracies and likes of Russia are equivalent socio-political actors, then you’re either disingenuous or stupid. If you can’t see the moral non-equivalence, then ditto. In my opinion, of course.

After all and as aforementioned - and notwithstanding your attempt to parody the state of play in our country - you are lucky enough to live amongst the “goodies”.

You wouldn’t be getting the same luxury in Moscow, as many Russian anti-war protestors are learning right now - and I assume you’re in no hurry to do so.

So craic on. If you’re tickled by ironies, perhaps dwell on your exploitation of the freedom you enjoy under the goodies, to baselessly slag off the goodies, without consequence .
 
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chrismisterx said:
A Russian mad man invades another country, to over throw the government, killing many in the process and you bring up our past on a thread discussing the evolving crisis in Ukraine, why?
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It's not our past, it's our present.

People are coming over to our country by the day seeking reguge from a war we started in their land.

Are we going to treat Ukrainian refugees the same?

War is war. The consequences are the same, we're involved.
 
As we write this, there are reports on social media of at least one large explosion in Ukraine's second city, Kharkiv, which is near the Russian border. Earlier, residents there were told to go immediately to a nearby subway station where they could take cover from shelling.

According to Ukraine's President Zelensky, there's also been heavy fighting in the northern city of Chernihiv, which lies between the Belarusian border and Kyiv, and in Melitopol in the south-east.

And Russian forces have breached the defences of Kherson, a major city in Ukraine's south, according to regional officials.

BBC still reporting that the Russians are struggling to make real progress
 
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