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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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SYB_DC said:
Russians do massive jobs. I'm not sure Putin wants to keep the entire place as keeping all of it would be a huge pain. Plus, leaving a rump "Ukraine" plus a puppet state of the majority of the place would look a tiny smidge better, at least in his own propaganda. But what do I know?
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I suspect they'll try to take Kyiv to force an "agreement" to make an "East Ukraine" where their people can be safe and let a rump "West Ukraine" type place carry on
 

Georgewhitt said:
A UN peacekeeping force could be a start. Pretty toothless, but would provide some king of human shield. Putin would have to think very carefully before risking killing any of those troops. Wouldn't stop it, but would slow it down considerably.
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It's too late.

Biden wouldn't commit US forced as he stated that is "a world war".

We couldn't do it alone and allying with the froggies has a chequered history.

Besides, the Ukrainians have had ample opportunity to assess this situation but chose to dig their heels in and continued to compete in the global corruption olympics.

I'm not excusing Vlad and reprehensible actions but the Ukrainian leadership have failed their people
 
woodlebert said:
But it's growing from a really low point when covid was hitting, so it's not exactly booming
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Agreed - nonsense story, we made a loss in 20-21 but will be back in some sort of profit for 21-22. It's still a bit grim, but record increase in turnover, yay!!

Distressing images, I feel not only for the civilians, but the conscripts on both sides in particular. Cannon fodder to political egos. And instead of keeping the world safe, nuclear weapons shown up for the futile waste of resources they are. Countries too scared to join in because they exist, and Putin is counting on that. Why would it be different if he eyes up chunks of Poland?? We're in a bad place.
 
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BOBOBOB said:
IAG had already announced they would stop overflying Russia.

When are the EU going to bring in a similar ban is the question? Why are they dragging their heels.
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Tusk's tweet suggests Germany, Italy and Hungary are apprehensive to do so, presumably because of the economic impact to themselves.
 
Baloo said:
Airbus and Bombardier banned from their airspace then.

Edit: and Boeing, forgot about the Sheffield plant.
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It's not where planes are built but where they're registered. Basically any plane which has registration of G-XXXX is banned. G is the British code, believe the yanks is N - unsure on others.
 
Viper said:
This book
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is still one of the corner stones of russian foreign policy & it clearly states that Finland must become a part of Russia, It's chilling how many things have at least partly happened : Armenia, Azerbaijan, Brexit (The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe), Georgia, Abkhazia, relations with Turkey & Iran, now the attack on Ukraine, Racial tensions in USA (Trump, BLM misinformation etc) . Some things are obviously unrealistic because the world has changed but the book is still read in military & police schools etc

The author Alexander Dugin has been called as "Putin's Rasputin".
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You should try reading some of Edward Luttwak's work when he was advising US foreign policy. He claimed the strategy under Bush to ignite a war between Shias and Sunnis exceeded anything Bismark achieved and war between them could last 10 Millenia.

These grand strategists live in different head space to most of us and you can be sure we have a few advising our government.
 
Viper said:
This book
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is still one of the corner stones of russian foreign policy & it clearly states that Finland must become a part of Russia, It's chilling how many things have at least partly happened : Armenia, Azerbaijan, Brexit (The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe), Georgia, Abkhazia, relations with Turkey & Iran, now the attack on Ukraine, Racial tensions in USA (Trump, BLM misinformation etc) . Some things are obviously unrealistic because the world has changed but the book is still read in military & police schools etc

The author Alexander Dugin has been called as "Putin's Rasputin".
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Has a variant of the symbol of chaos on the front, probably not intentional but creepy nonetheless.
 
I messaged a Ukrainian lass I used to work with to ask how things are for her family

Without going into all the details 'not great' is the answer.

She advised how to support ordinary folk, see link:

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cosmicchris00 said:
I messaged a Ukrainian lass I used to work with to ask how things are for her family

Without going into all the details 'not great' is the answer.

She advised how to support ordinary folk, see link:

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I did the same with a Ukrainian I became mates with when working in Slovakia, I know he went back to Kherson when the work finished his brother was at uni in Kiev, haven’t got a reply from yesterday. Hoping he’s alright
 
Not sure how we would get weapons in now? The Russians will be controlling the airspace. The second we land an aircraft in Ukraine it will be seen as direct involvement.
 
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