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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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mickb2112 said:
Perhaps all world leaders should read Smedley Butler`s War is a Racket by one of America`s most decorated generals which he wrote after returning home after WWI. His plans to prevent future wars, is simple yet utterly brilliant. It`s a very short book but well worth a read: War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated General: Amazon.co.uk: Butler, Smedley D., Parfrey, Adam: 9780922915866: Books
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Brilliant read.
 
Why? This is not the EUs fight. Ukraine are not a member state.
Sanctions, fine, but further than that it has no remit, other than unilaterally volunteering to go to war with Russia, in defence of the Ukraine. Madness mate.
 
Hammertime4 said:
Well if public transcripts of the discussions between Putin and Biden earlier this month are to be believed then Ukraine joining NATO remains on the table, fair enough you might say, France or Germany (Nord Stream 2) may veto it but NATO officials and Ukraine have reiterated the open door policy still applies...well if the alternative is appeasement (which has been mentioned on this thread) indeed a high ranking Estonian parliamentarian has also stated that walking back Ukraine's right to join NATO would be tantamount to Britain's appeasement of Hitler in 1938 - that's all well and good but leaders (and in particular American leaders) who argue Ukraine has every right to join should pause to reflect on their own country's own very long history of complete opposition of outside meddling in the Western Hemisphere - this position was first expressed in the 1823 and it was on full display in the violent US reaction to Fidel Castro's pivot toward the Soviet Union after the revolution in '58.

This is why I mentioned it because back then US President Eisenhower declared that 'Cuba has been handed over to the Soviet Union as an instrument with which to undermine our position in Latin America and the World' - the Bay of Pigs was the absolute fiasco planned by the CIA which lit the fuse for the Cuban Missile Crisis - point being countries cannot always simply choose their military alliances because such choices often have implications and consequences for their neighbours, the issues in Taiwan are similar but that's a whole different thread...
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sorry, i'm not getting it

are you saying that its ok for Russia to invade Ukraine because Cuban exiles failed to invade Cuba

the Cuban Missile crisis occurred because no US government was ever going to allow Soviet nukes within 100 miles of the lower 48

this is'nt even close - this is Russia invading Ukraine because he does'nt want NATO on his doorstep, despite the fact that 5 other NATO countries currently share a land border with him (and if he annexes Ukraine this number increases to 8)

he's a barmpot
 
janey said:
Panic over Liz Truss has SUMMONED the Russian Ambassador

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Ah wey that's sorted then, the strongly worded emails are winging their way to the Kremlin as we type. Its shake your head stuff this. I've never known so many meetings called, interviews given about it, monitoring of the situation, sanctions imposed.

All whilst Putin is shelling the fuck out of Ukraine. He mays well load the Missiles himself with "Monitor this C*nt" written on the side
 
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