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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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SAFC Wilks said:
Did they actually say that? Latest I seen from China is that they don’t agree with the US sanctions.

That’s different to them saying they back Russia in the invasion.

Although I’m aware they probably will back it so they can take Taiwan.
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I'd assume that's them picking a side economically. They'll keep trading with them meaning our economic sanctions won't be as effective.
 

MorNando06660 said:
While sanctions don’t do nothing they will do very little with China’s 1 billion population to prop them up.

Unfortunately War is inevitable now in my opinion. It’s just a matter of time before he pushes in to NATO areas such as Poland etc.
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Then it will be game over.
 
Frijj said:
It is. It absolutely is, because so many people have “NATO membership” as the lynchpin of their argument.

If NATO membership alone, is the sole reason why we are not intervening, if it is the sole reason why we would intervene, then it’s relevant.

Loads of people on this thread have said that NATO membership is their threshold for action.

For example, Wrenthorpe said we shouldn’t defend Ukraine, because of the risk of a nuclear retaliation. He did say we should defend Estonia, because they’re in NATO.

Ireland aren’t in NATO. Neither are Finland. If Russia attacked either of those countries, would we sit and do nothing? Would France do nothing? What about the Yanks?

If the answer is they’d do something differently then posters using NATO membership alone as their argument are clearly using other justifications they are not making clear.
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He didn't say we should defend Estonia. He said we would have no choice as per article 5.

As far as I remember.
 
Frijj said:
It is. It absolutely is, because so many people have “NATO membership” as the lynchpin of their argument.

If NATO membership alone, is the sole reason why we are not intervening, if it is the sole reason why we would intervene, then it’s relevant.

Loads of people on this thread have said that NATO membership is their threshold for action.

For example, Wrenthorpe said we shouldn’t defend Ukraine, because of the risk of a nuclear retaliation. He did say we should defend Estonia, because they’re in NATO.

Ireland aren’t in NATO. Neither are Finland. If Russia attacked either of those countries, would we sit and do nothing? Would France do nothing? What about the Yanks?

If the answer is they’d do something differently then posters using NATO membership alone as their argument are clearly using other justifications they are not making clear.
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In all seriousness do you want us to join the rest of the world and start bombing and shooting our way across Ukraine driving them back ? If that happens its game over for all of us.

Imo we are in damage limitation mode. He`s won this one already , its now about how the world reacts to prevent him taking the piss further.
 
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Dobblemackem said:
Do you have kids? Here’s one for you if a bully as you put it, had a gun directly to your kids head, and said move on now or I’ll shoot to kill. What is your next action?
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In that situation of course you’d move on, but if that’s analogous to the current situation, then the bully has three other countries with their laser sights on his forehead too. Would he still shoot?
 
Frijj said:
Would you “accept defeat” if a hostile, nuclear power successfully invaded the UK, and the Americans decided not to get involved?

Hypothetical scenario. Just wondering what your threshold for action is.
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Honestly, I have no idea. I’d rather be alive than dead though, I know that much.
 
mickb2112 said:
I honestly don`t know. Maybe he thinks Ukraine joining is the final straw?? Like everybody else, I just wished it had never come to this but I think the West made a monumental mistake not bringing Russia into the fold when the Iron Curtain came down like they did with Germany at the end of WWII. If we had cooperated and worked together to rebuild Russia`s economy, we may not have ended with something more akin to a democracy, instead we gloated about the end of the Soviet empire and seemingly prodded them at every opportunity. It was a huge wasted opportunity and unfortunately we may be paying the consequences for it now.
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They did but the post reagan Republicans were in power so it was that twisted economic ideology that drove thatch, reagan, trump, the bushes, the tories post 2010 . You can do it for a while in rich countries like the UK and the USA but every it been exported to emerging countries in south america, the middle east and the old soviet union it has wrecked the countries.
 
Lonz said:
You’ll never get “proof” until it’s too late. He’s not going to broadcast his intentions to have the rest of the world stop him.

Do we just let him do what he wants until he dies? There’s a line to be drawn somewhere and history has taught us that the sooner that’s done the better.
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That’s just it, he has broadcast his intentions to the world. For a long time as well.🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
That's just daft bud
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Why is it daft? Where nuclear weapons are on the table, nothing is daft. I couldn’t feel more sorry for Ukraine, or more contempt for Putin. However, the thought of this escalating, petrifies the life out of me. Not for me, I’ll take what comes, but for the bairn and other bairns, f***ing hell man.
 
Crook Mackem said:
In all seriousness do you want us to join the rest of the world and start bombing and shooting our way across Ukraine driving them back ? If that happens its game over for all of us.

Imo we are in damage limitation mode. He`s won this one already , its now about how the world reacts to prevent him taking the piss further.
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Spot on mate
 
Frijj said:
In that situation of course you’d move on, but if that’s analogous to the current situation, then the bully has three other countries with their laser sights on his forehead too. Would he still shoot?
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A normal man, no he probably wouldn’t. Putin I’m honestly not sure, he’s a loose cannon. If threatened I don’t think he’d give a fuck.
 
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