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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Alcoholic_Author said:
Thoughts on Azov Battalion?
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Inconvenient to attempts to portray a cartoon goodies and baddies narrative rather than an ongoing conflict between two fairly backward, nationalistic gangster states who are never going to be easily squeezed into modern European liberalism (as becomes obvious any time a black footballer plays in the old Eastern bloc countries).
 

Roose Bolton said:
Inconvenient to attempts to portray a cartoon goodies and baddies narrative rather than an ongoing conflict between two fairly backward, nationalistic gangster states who are never going to be easily squeezed into modern European liberalism (as becomes obvious any time a black footballer plays in the old Eastern bloc countries).
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I actually agree, but you’d be surprised how this sort of thing hijacks peoples thought processes, especially the bulk populous.
 
seaburnmackem said:
Yep and now with the Nord Stream 2 pipeline being haulted it will damage Gazprom.
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These type of actions are absolutely the way forward as any violence will just beget more violence. Hopefully, Boris complements the ballsy German decision and does something just as damaging. We need to show that the West are all in agreement and are more unified that he thinks. Give him something to think about and China for that matter who will be watching our response. Looking weak here will have future ramifications.
 
Brian Griffin said:
When you build your army to that level you inevitably end up using them.


April 2020 - "We will be holding the Euros this year"
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If they can get more cash for it elsewhere they will shift it in ” a show of support for Ukraine”
 
My view on this is this… I think if Putin uses the russian speaking people of the two regions in the east as a reason for invading and ‘protecting people‘ who feel more russian, then this is a pretext and introduction to his wider aims. There is little strategic objective in eastern Ukraine. Apply this to the Baltic states and there is much more reason to apply the same thinking, with between 25 and 35 percent russian speaking people in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.

I don’t understand his military objectives but see it more as a military gain to assert wider pressure on the international playing field where he can then influence economics by force. Belarus, Ukraine are a good starting point for him, but pushing into Europe is key for him in my opinion.

This is the first test for NATO, and unfortunately the European states are too weak and divided to stop him. He sees this and will roll in regardless. I don’t particularly like to use historical examples to demonstrate this, but Munich and appeasement are a lesson we have not learnt from. Today, as in the 1930’s, there is no appetite to stand up to Putin. But it will lead to greater demands. He has nothing to loose. He’s an old man wanting to build a legacy as a despot. This is the perfect time for him. He see’s Europe full of weak leaders, divided by their own economic agenda. We have an idiot as PM, France has a little Napoleon and Germany has an unstable government with an untested Chancellor. THe rest have no real power. The EU itself has no interest in standing against Russia. Only NATO has the means, but not the power.

There’s only the US then, and only Sleepy Joe can make a stand. Iraq and Afghanistan have removed the appetite for more conflict. He will roll on in and then look west I’m afraid.
 
parm said:
Bojo the clown`s on his feet stirring up trouble talking of "British interests" , well let me tell that big dosser right here right now war with russia is not in mine or my families interests , as we unlike you wont have the safety of nuclear bunkers etc
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He’s doing to Britain what Putin is doing with Russia - playing for a domestic audience to act the tough guy imo. Look at Truss this morning man. Turning up in a Thatcher style winter hat in Kyiv where it’s the same temperature as Manchester for fucks sake.
 
Dread to think how much money will be given to tory donors/friends if the UK ever has to start building for war. For £100 Billion our soldiers will be kitted out with cardboard tanks covered in tin foil and our soldiers armed with them cap guns with the paper caps that you used to rasp with a coin.
 
cruze said:
My view on this is this… I think if Putin uses the russian speaking people of the two regions in the east as a reason for invading and ‘protecting people‘ who feel more russian, then this is a pretext and introduction to his wider aims. There is little strategic objective in eastern Ukraine. Apply this to the Baltic states and there is much more reason to apply the same thinking, with between 25 and 35 percent russian speaking people in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.

I don’t understand his military objectives but see it more as a military gain to assert wider pressure on the international playing field where he can then influence economics by force. Belarus, Ukraine are a good starting point for him, but pushing into Europe is key for him in my opinion.

This is the first test for NATO, and unfortunately the European states are too weak and divided to stop him. He sees this and will roll in regardless. I don’t particularly like to use historical examples to demonstrate this, but Munich and appeasement are a lesson we have not learnt from. Today, as in the 1930’s, there is no appetite to stand up to Putin. But it will lead to greater demands. He has nothing to loose. He’s an old man wanting to build a legacy as a despot. This is the perfect time for him. He see’s Europe full of weak leaders, divided by their own economic agenda. We have an idiot as PM, France has a little Napoleon and Germany has an unstable government with an untested Chancellor. THe rest have no real power. The EU itself has no interest in standing against Russia. Only NATO has the means, but not the power.

There’s only the US then, and only Sleepy Joe can make a stand. Iraq and Afghanistan have removed the appetite for more conflict. He will roll on in and then look west I’m afraid.
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Excellent post. I do believe western powers have intentionally aggravated the situation, but how it will play out could certainly look a lot like your post, we’ve not learned nor cared to have good relations with Russia and now we’re on the cusp of letting them do whatever they want, justified (in their eyes) as revenge on an antagonistic enemy.
 
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