Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[peil]

They'll use the old excuse that the Russians living amongst the Ukrainians have been getting a hard time and they're moving in to sort things out.

Next stop, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia.

Then Poland.

Putin is a mad man. Another Gorby needs to emerge and calm things down.

Exact same argument was made a while back about helping out ethnic Germans. Exact same playbook

Why should we risk Nuclear war to help out a Country whom a large number of its citizens played a prominent role in helping Hitler carry out the Final Solution.

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Straight out the Tankie playbook

5 rubles have been deposited to your account Tovarisch

 

[Oliver Hardy]

No, Have to admit I wasn't aware of that, but in your book that means Russia is justified in it's on-going attempts to de-stablise the Baltic States. States they illegally occupied after the end of WWII.

Firstly i wasn't calling you over sensitive it was the other lad and secondly i think all countries should be allowed to live free from interference from its bigger neighbour but thats never going to happen especially if like Cuba who invited Russia in 1962 to point Nuclear missiles from its territory and Poland and the Baltic states allow NATO to threaten Russia from its territory.

Exact same argument was made a while back about helping out ethnic Germans. Exact same playbook

Straight out the Tankie playbook

5 rubles have been deposited to your account Tovarisch

I'm Lord Haw Haw, me man.

 

[peil]

Poland and the Baltic states allow NATO to threaten Russia from its territory.

In what way are they adopting a threatening posture?
Everything in the public domain shows that NATO would struggle to respond to a territorial incursion in any meaningful way within 30 days, never mind an offensive.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

In what way are they adopting a threatening posture?
Everything in the public domain shows that NATO would struggle to respond to a territorial incursion in any meaningful way within 30 days, never mind an offensive.

Then why put any Troops or Military equipment in at all?

 

[MonkeyLove]

Putin is anything but a mad man, runs rings around western leaders. They know how to play the long game the Ruskies, think he knows sleepy Joe is a soft touch, whether all this is posturing to get NATO to back off or whether he thinks this is a good time to make a move remains to be seen. Ukraine unfortunately will remain a vassal state, no way will Vlad ever allow the west to get their hooks in to it.

What’s the value to Putin of Ukraine? Russia doesn’t need more territory, it doesn’t use a fraction of that it’s got. If he splits Ukraine he just moves the Russian border equally close to Western allegiances as they are now anyway

 

[woodlebert]

What’s the value to Putin of Ukraine? Russia doesn’t need more territory, it doesn’t use a fraction of that it’s got. If he splits Ukraine he just moves the Russian border equally close to Western allegiances as they are now anyway

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[Jasper]

What’s the value to Putin of Ukraine? Russia doesn’t need more territory, it doesn’t use a fraction of that it’s got. If he splits Ukraine he just moves the Russian border equally close to Western allegiances as they are now anyway

Moving the border further west from Moscow is to the benefit of Russia. Gives them more defensible space, particularly since from the west is Russia's only real prospect of being attacked. The Black Sea is also Russia's only prospect of a warm water port in its own territory and will open up its ability to dominate the Black Sea, taking away influence of it away from NATO and Turkey, which is why it went for Crimea. It's also a bit of a birthplace for modern Russian identity and orthodox Christianity. And ultimately, Putin's approval rating is currently relatively low for him.

 

[Kent_Mackem]

Troubling times. Russia are bad enough with their pointless aggression every single day but there is also China aiming for world domination as well.

I watched something years ago about whether the US could fight two wars and the conclusion was it could then.
They certainly would struggle ten years from now I imagine. Hopefully they've got 30 years of black budget hidden somewhere.

China don't need to use military force to dominate the world. Their economy will soon eclipse that of USA. They also own much of our infrastructure. They wouldn't need to bomb us, they could just switch us off and we would revert to pre-Medieval times. Can you imagine any of those glued to their mobile phones being able to survive without them?

Neither China nor Russia want a war with America. They're just sabre rattling. The key moment in our short-term future is whether China goes into Taiwan and if/when it does, how USA responds (if at all).

What I find incredibly frustrating about humans is why can't they just all try and get on to work together on such world crises such as health, pollution, Climate Change, energy, food, water, population control, resisitance to antibiotics.

 

[Suomifinland]

I think Ukraine might be a bluff & real hit is the gap between Kaliningrad & Belarus that connects Lithuania with Poland. 60 miles long & splits Nato if grabbed.

Suspicions are that they use immigrants to flood area & then are "forced to restore order". Then never leave. That would effectively isolate Baltic States from rest of Nato.

 

[peil]

Then why put any Troops or Military equipment in at all?

Can't begin to imagine why the Baltic states, on joining NATO, asked for help securing their own airspace.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Why should we risk Nuclear war to help out a Country whom a large number of its citizens played a prominent role in helping Hitler carry out the Final Solution.

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Jesus, that’s a pathetic argument. What have modern day Ukrainians had to do with that?

hint: about as much as you have to do with the Boer war

 

[jaxaxe]

Why should we risk Nuclear war to help out a Country whom a large number of its citizens played a prominent role in helping Hitler carry out the Final Solution.

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I'm starting to get a inkling here that you might not like Ukraine.

What happened ? Do you want to tell us about the big bad Ukrainian man who took your wife off you ?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Jesus, that’s a pathetic argument. What have modern day Ukrainians had to do with that?

hint: about as much as you have to do with the Boer war

I see you haven't been reading any posts further back.
You are aware that the Governments of the Ukraine and the Baltic states allow Marches to commemorate the SS Divisions these Countries had during WW2?

Can't begin to imagine why the Baltic states, on joining NATO, asked for help securing their own airspace.

I thought we'd already covered this,do you really want to risk Thermonuclear annihilation defending these countries?

 

[Lankester Merrin]

You're a bit sensitive aren't you.

You are aware that the Governments of the Ukraine and the Baltic states allow Marches to commemorate the SS Divisions these Countries had during WW2?

Is this a new attention seeking loser or one of the pre-existing attention seeking losers back under a new username?

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I see you haven't been reading any posts further back.
You are aware that the Governments of the Ukraine and the Baltic states allow Marches to commemorate the SS Divisions these Countries had during WW2?

I thought we'd already covered this,do you really want to risk Thermonuclear annihilation defending these countries?

I wasn’t aware of that, no.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Is this a new attention seeking loser or one of the pre-existing attention seeking losers back under a new username?

I've been a member for 17 years

 

[Lankester Merrin]

I've been a member for 17 years

Happily I managed to avoid your attention seeking twattery for that time

And thanks to the ignore button I won't have to experience it again

Sad little man

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Happily I managed to avoid your attention seeking twattery for that time

And thanks to the ignore button I won't have to experience it again

Sad little man

If you want i'll apologize to you for my insensitivity over the Salisbury Russian poisoner.

 

[peil]

I see you haven't been reading any posts further back.
You are aware that the Governments of the Ukraine and the Baltic states allow Marches to commemorate the SS Divisions these Countries had during WW2?

I thought we'd already covered this,do you really want to risk Thermonuclear annihilation defending these countries?

I see the whole "turn your back on treaty commitments" stage has been reached.

No-one is looking to start lobbing nukes, that's not been a NATO strategic response since the 60's. Only if a member state is attacked by nuclear weapons will retaliation be considered, see the following:

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I've been a member for 17 years

sleeper agent on the SMB, what a world we live in

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I see the whole "turn your back on treaty commitments" stage has been reached.

No-one is looking to start lobbing nukes, that's not been a NATO strategic response since the 60's. Only if a member state is attacked by nuclear weapons will retaliation be considered, see the following:

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sleeper agent on the SMB, what a world we live in

It won't suddenly start with nukes you'll get the conventional warfare first and when it escalates you get the nukes.