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Nobody has to justify anything in fairness. It’s perfectly acceptable to support the club you’ve always supported without explaining yourself to anybody.
min perfectly happy thanks supporting Newcastle United and for the first time in years I’m excited about what the future may bring.
simple as that for me.

That's because you're morally bankrupt.
Martin Samuel has a dig at the Newcastle fans in his column which is let down by the fact he says Sunderland don't have a billionaire owner to save them

And he calls himself a journalist. He's a clown.
 
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Martin Samuel has a dig at the Newcastle fans in his column which is let down by the fact he says Sunderland don't have a billionaire owner to save them
The man has been an insult to journalism for many a year.
 
"We aren't owned by KSA. We are owned by an investment group. The PL made that very clear in order to approve the deal." aye mate, there's a billion reasons why they are different. honest.
if it was a random saudi businessman like abramovic, none of this would be news.
 
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Nobody has to justify anything in fairness. It’s perfectly acceptable to support the club you’ve always supported without explaining yourself to anybody.
min perfectly happy thanks supporting Newcastle United and for the first time in years I’m excited about what the future may bring.
simple as that for me.
You comfortable with the latest story of child kidnap because they can’t murder the father because this regime might bring you football success ? Seriously ? It’s that simple ?
 
Newcastle fans in the replies trying desperately to rewrite history on how they behaved towards Bruce. Not the first Geordie manager they’ve hounded out.

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Of course you don't want to get dragged into it. Who would? But you have expressed an opinion on a message board and that will lead to people questioning you. You have stated 'oh well, protesting does nowt'. Well, I have shown very clearly that recent protests by Manu Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal fans have had a massive effect on a major development. My agenda is quite clear - I am appalled at the lack of outrage/protest/disappointment from your fans at such horrendous owners. We have a thread about this and your response is a rather pathetic - 'I don't see the point of protesting'. If you don't want to get dragged into it don't come on this thread with such insipid defence of your own moral ambivalence, don't come on a Sunderland message board etc. You want to come on this thread and don't want to make comments on the new owners? How does that work? Don't respond to this. Don't come up with anymore excuses as to why you won't protest. If you come on here you will be asked time after time where you stand on the new owners.

What an absolute load of bollox....

Taking a question I was asked and trying to make it fit your agenda.

My point was about protesting in general, I don't see the point, it does nothing, the question wasn't regarding the owners, it was about a statement made by NUFC supporters about getting the club back....

I also stated that if people want to protest then let them crack on, I won't be doing it as I think it serves no purpose....I also won't have a go at people doing it either, thats up to the indivdual....

I have never protested against anything in my life, pointless, so you telling me not to make excuses is laughable....

If you are so appalled by the owners have you protested against the KSA....or is it just words on a message board....
 
Newcastle fans;
Mike Ashley is a tyrant for enforcing zero hour contracts, we must protest and bring this to parliament. How can the premier league allow a man like this to own a football club. It’s our responsibility as football fans to make a stand for human rights.
Also Newcastle fans:
Whoa whoa our trillioniare owner chopping journalists is nothing to do with us we are just football fans. Fk amnesty international you’re just jealous of our money. We are the richest club in the worl… I mean transparency, erm just happy the windows have had a wash, we just want a club that tries. Disney, Starbucks, Twitter, erm petrol
 
What an absolute load of bollox....

Taking a question I was asked and trying to make it fit your agenda.

My point was about protesting in general, I don't see the point, it does nothing, the question wasn't regarding the owners, it was about a statement made by NUFC supporters about getting the club back....

I also stated that if people want to protest then let them crack on, I won't be doing it as I think it serves no purpose....I also won't have a go at people doing it either, thats up to the indivdual....

I have never protested against anything in my life, pointless, so you telling me not to make excuses is laughable....

If you are so appalled by the owners have you protested against the KSA....or is it just words on a message board....

Were you one of the 110k fans who signed this?

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The majority of your fans seemed to regard protesting as worthwhile when it looked like it was all off, and indeed Staveley said in her statement that they “would not be here without your patience and persistence”.

Your fans launched the biggest campaign for a particular takeover anyone has ever seen - pressuring cowardly MPs across the region into publicly supporting this.

Yet you now feel there’s nothing for you to explain and there’s no point in protests?

If you had protested against the Saudis with a tenth of the energy you showed in supporting it, the deal would not have happened.

It’s not just the PL who are responsible, your fans are responsible as well, and people are absolutely right to hold you to account and question you about it.

A sports washing project could not work without some level of support from the fans, and the Saudis have certainly had that and more from you.
 
Jesus wept. That's grim.

Surely they don't speak for a majority.

A 113,000 Petition would suggest otherwise.
I find it incredible.
The Mrs (no) asked me "But would Sunderland fans not behave the same?"
I said no - look at how Di Canio went. There was a media campaign against him, people went on on SSN and complained and many handed in their season tickets. There was a vocal campaign, many former miners did the same, mentioning how their fathers/grandfathers fought fascism in WW2.
Many refused to go, and in the end Di Canio went.
The Mrs said, but there's more money involved here.
I said sure, there would be some ( maybe a lot) who would want this, but there would definitely be opposition to it.
I can't think of one person, apart from the Mag who walked out on some principle before ht, but then still said he's going to Palace.
They're twisting themselves into pretzels over this.
FFS trying to equate minority shares in Uber, Twitter etc with a majority shareholder in Isis Utd.
Yeah but Abramovic...
But but but Man City
It beggars belief. They are paying at least £600 pp to one of the worst (if not the worst) regimes on the planet.
Not unseen fractions of pennies to shares in Disney/Uber.
THEIR CLUB IS NOW ASSOCIATED WITH:-
9/11
Kashoggi
Beheadings
Lashes
Murder
Misogyny
Castration
Yemeni children deaths
WAR CRIMINALS
I could go on
And on
And on

I was thinking who could possibly be worse to have associated with your club.
I thought of the Taliban, but the Saudi sponsored ISIS Islamic state seemed to more repressive than the current regime in Afghanistan.

It is absolutely f***ing disgusting and absolutely unjustifiable.

Yeah, but whatabout.....
 
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Newcastle fans not happy the whole of the country are turning on them so they are pointing there fingers on their webbed hands to us . But but what about those nasty Sunderland fans

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What an absolute load of bollox....

Taking a question I was asked and trying to make it fit your agenda.

My point was about protesting in general, I don't see the point, it does nothing, the question wasn't regarding the owners, it was about a statement made by NUFC supporters about getting the club back....

I also stated that if people want to protest then let them crack on, I won't be doing it as I think it serves no purpose....I also won't have a go at people doing it either, thats up to the indivdual....

I have never protested against anything in my life, pointless, so you telling me not to make excuses is laughable....

If you are so appalled by the owners have you protested against the KSA....or is it just words on a message board....
Clearly protesting worked immediately with the European Super League. If my owners were the murderers of Jamal Khashoggi I would be appalled and would protest. If you don't want to be questioned about where your morals stand don't come on this thread or talk about NUFC on this message board because you will be asked and it is a pertinent question. I understand why you 'don't want to be dragged in' to this debate because its very difficult to defend your moral ambivalence but the simple way of not being dragged in is avoid such threads/message boards. I think the moral outrage that these murderers have entered English football is both understandable and will run and run. If you aren't appalled by the arrival of these abhorrent people into our game then your morals will be questioned.
 
I've got loads more respect for the Newcastle fans who admit they they couldn't give a shite about the what the Saudis get up to, they are rich and bollocks to everyone else.
At least they are being honest. It's the ones who know what goes on, have been banging on for years about how money ruins football, usually share petitions on social media helping just causes, using #metoo, #blm, #bekind etc, who are now shifting their moral compass so easily that grate.
I see you.
 
If you look at the stats & detail though its very different. Benitez was far more organised & the dull football was really pragmatism linked to having a Championship squad. Bruce is all over the place & has ASM, Wilson & Willock.
Correct that end result was same but how they both got there was very different.
So the results where the same but the football was a bit different . The hated him the appointment from day 1, why because he wasn’t a brand name that’s all.
 
Were you one of the 110k fans who signed this?

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The majority of your fans seemed to regard protesting as worthwhile when it looked like it was all off, and indeed Staveley said in her statement that they “would not be here without your patience and persistence”.

Your fans launched the biggest campaign for a particular takeover anyone has ever seen - pressuring cowardly MPs across the region into publicly supporting this.

Yet you now feel there’s nothing for you to explain and there’s no point in protests?

If you had protested against the Saudis with a tenth of the energy you showed in supporting it, the deal would not have happened.

It’s not just the PL who are responsible, your fans are responsible as well, and people are absolutely right to hold you to account and question you about it.

A sports washing project could not work without some level of support from the fans, and the Saudis have certainly had that and more from you.

I keep typing the same thing, I don't protest, don't sign petitions, there is no point in my opinion....

You keep stating 'YOU', it's not me, don't hold me accountable for anything others have done....
 
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