Which is what I posted a few posts ago, you are where you should expect to be, we all want better but that needs to be ran alongside the words expectations and capabilities. You seem to have a larger amount of deluded fans than other clubs, I'm 48 years of age and have been unfortunate enough to work with some of them, they are not right in the head, just look at some of the posts on here that have been copied from social media, it is embarrassing.
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I would absolutely love us to be challenging those clubs, but it's unlikely to ever happen, which is why I wish the super league thing happened.
and then your lot would be clambering for a piece of that pie.
Well, as I say, I avoid social media like the plague, so the Tweets I see are the ones I see on here. I think every fan has levels of delusion, but in my world I go with a decent bunch of different generations.
I have been lucky with Sunderland fans I have worked with Down the years, always had really good banter with them.
Possibly/Probably, but I imagine most would if they thought themselves to be at that level. They clearly felt emboldened and untouchable.
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Me too, I post on here occasionally, I've been on loads the past few days due to self isolating, prior to that I hadn't posted between April and July. I have never come across a club with as many deluded fans as the mags, maybe because i have more contact with them or maybe it is because you do have a large amount of them. You all appear to go from half decent people when by yourselves but as soon as you get a rabble of you lot you turn into something different, some even become more geordie than they used to be! I've found when you come across them on holiday they like to be seen heard and let everyone know who they support.
Binxy
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Ah the poor bairns.
Hope you're isolation isnt too shit, see what trouble it gets you into having too much time on your hands? I dunno, we have knackers, every club has them, indeed on several occasions words have been had with some of the younger knackers walking around a different town acting all billy big bollocks. With regards to holidays and stuff, I can't lie and say I'm not proud to be a geordie and when someone hears .my accent it does often lead to a football conversation. I'm not sure that's particularly just us, I remember in Spain one year a group of about 15 Boro fans and every night for a week they were out singing Boro songs in their Boro clothes (their attendance must have been even lower than usual that week haha) but I also think that's a bit of a northern trait as well.
tunstallhill
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it is relevant as it gives perspective. each club in the pyramid has its rough position that is the average spot for that club over 100 years, when you are lower than that (like we are now by a long way) it gives reason to not be too happy about it. when you are higher than that its a class buzz. its why man united, arsenal and liverpool fans get upset after one or two bad results. newcastle currently, and for a while now, are bouncing around in their 'natural' position in the order, nowt to be very happy about but certainly nowt to bloody protest about and get MPs involved and that.
yous should just try supporting the club for a bit. a big club with a very strong foundation and good potential, not over achieving but not under achieving, just get behind them for a bit and see what happens. yous have literally got fuck all to twist about
I think that's what I do Tunstall certainly on a personal level. I feel a bit of empathy for the fans that let it bother them to the point they are tracking planes and writing to MPs etc. I think they mustn't have other things in their lives, having said that, they clearly have a level of passion I don't, and so can't judge too much. 20 years ago it might have been me, but it just doesn't bother me that much. See my mates, get pissed, have a celebrate or more often a moan, go home, get on with the really important stuff.
The Fish
Winger
No different for the younger lads who've only really seen your lot for the past decade. 16yr old in 2011 got to see you in a League Cup final and then not much to get excited about. You've had it worse, no doubt, but neither fan base have seen their team move forward in the past 10 years.
Exile 1968
Winger
Don't usually reply to you Fishy as just watch you get tortured each time you post.
On this one you're talking absolute bollocks. In the last 4 years you've been promoted and established in the PL and spent over £200M on players. So what you say is absolute nonsense
Just for a change he's talking absolute nonsense.
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It certainly changed the mindset of a lot of them, more so those who didn't see the shite pre 92 with sub 20,000 crowds. They initially had 4 good seasons in the Premier League but then 4 lower half finish seasons until 2001/02. They had another 4 out of 5 top 10 seasons but that's it as the rest of the time they've been as they were, lower table.
Only the wiser amongst them will know they aren't the 'consistent' top half club some other fans try to make out. They way they were going with Hall wasn't a sustainable way of running a club as Leeds and Blackburn found out and Newcastle nearly did until Ashley walked in (though didn't he not fully check the books?).
Fuck know where they'd be if Hall hadn't come in and brought Keegan with him. The Premier League was developing and Hall came in at the right time to jump on the big money bandwagon. The money in the game was growing quicker than the wages/prices for the players and some of it was spent wastefully trying to buy success. Teams can't spend willy nilly now as they'd eventually crash and burn. Ashley isn't investing as much as the Mags would like as he's a tight arse but is the club losing money season after season?
I think someone will come in a invest a bit of money into NUFC but they will have to think about financial sustainability also. That's why I think even if PIF came in the Mags would be in for a shock. I don't think they'd be spending millions on top players on big wages but rather put just enough investment in so they can flip them for £500+ million at some point. Or someone comes in and spends big money banking on future revenue which is banking on some success. However, they fail and the Mags end up in a shit load of debt
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You could quote easily invest a billion into a club and still finish 10th like. So there's no guarantees at all. So I agree any investment would probably not be what some would hope for.It certainly changed the mindset of a lot of them, more so those who didn't see the shite pre 92 with sub 20,000 crowds. They initially had 4 good seasons in the Premier League but then 4 lower half finish seasons until 2001/02. They had another 4 out of 5 top 10 seasons but that's it as the rest of the time they've been as they were, lower table.
Only the wiser amongst them will know they aren't the 'consistent' top half club some other fans try to make out. They way they were going with Hall wasn't a sustainable way of running a club as Leeds and Blackburn found out and Newcastle nearly did until Ashley walked in (though didn't he not fully check the books?).
Fuck know where they'd be if Hall hadn't come in and brought Keegan with him. The Premier League was developing and Hall came in at the right time to jump on the big money bandwagon. The money in the game was growing quicker than the wages/prices for the players and some of it was spent wastefully trying to buy success. Teams can't spend willy nilly now as they'd eventually crash and burn. Ashley isn't investing as much as the Mags would like but is the club losing money season after season?
I think someone will come in a invest a bit of money into NUFC but they will have to think about financial sustainability also. That's why I think even if PIF came in the Mags would be in for a shock. I don't think they'd be spending millions on top players on big wages but rather put just enough in so they can flip them for £500+ million at some point. Or someone comes in and spends big money banking on future revenue which is banking on some success. However, they fail and the Mags end up in a shit load of debt
The Fish
Winger
In the last 5 years we've also been relegated and been involved in a relegation fight each season. £200m on players sounds great, but Bournemouth, Brighton, Villa, Watford, West Ham, Wolves, have all also spent north of £200m.
Ashley has taken us backwards as a club, to say anything otherwise is just silly.
marco popas
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Your last 4 PL finshes have been 12, 13, 13 and 10 so around mid table in each season.
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This! Finishing say 8th compared to 17th gets a few millions more in prize money but that wouldn't even pay for Joelinton. The other thing is the global revenue outside of TV money due to the many years of top Premier/League and European exposure for clubs. It would take years to grow another club brand and this is why the big 6 get at least double and more than the revenue of the other clubs.
The only realistic way to see a return on significant investment would be getting into the European places but even the Europa League isn't big money unless you progress far enough. It's the Champions League that has the big money. Given the likes of Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and maybe Man Utd this season then you can't see anyone getting into the top 4 yet again this season.
It's only happened once since 2004/05 when Leicester won it in 2015. That's once from 16 seasons of a possible 84 places! In fact, only 4 non big 6 teams on 6 occasions have tasted Champions League since 1999/00 as this below is a copy and paste with updated info
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Everton - 4th in
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3rd in Leeds - 4th in , 3rd in
This is how many teams have finished top 6 in 12 seasons since 2009/10 when Man City/Spurs started to join the big 6. So a total of 9 times from 6 teams and more recently due to Arsenal going through a blip as most of them were early 2010's.
Leicester - 1st in , 5th in &
Southampton - 6th in
Everton - 6th in , 5th in
Newcastle - -5th in
Aston Villa - 6th in
West Ham - 6th in
Exile 1968
Winger
Absolute bollocks. He not only saved the club from bankruptcy 14 years ago he has you as an established PL team that got to 2 Cup QF's and finished 12th in the PL whilst spending £125M in the last 2 seasons alone. To say he's taken you backwards is nonsense and also a lie.
The Fish
Winger
Aye, but you need only have a look at the threads on here to see how close we came to relegation in every season. e.g. last season had results on the final day gone the other way we could have ended 17th, instead of 12th. We went on an unbelievable run of results in the tail end of the season, which glossed over the abysmal run of form we endured 2 wins in 21 games (16/12/20 - 11/04/21).
Exile 1968
Winger
There are a clutch of clubs who go into every season with the ambition to survive. The 3 promoted clubs, then Burnley, Palace, Southampton and Newcastle. That's where you are as a club. Celebrate when you achieve your natural goal. Though that may not happen this year he will give Bruce the resources to get you back up. It's the life a an also ran and has been throughout your history. Deal with it.
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