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Absolute bollocks. He not only saved the club from bankruptcy 14 years ago he has you as an established PL team that got to 2 Cup QF's and finished 12th in the PL whilst spending £125M in the last 2 seasons alone. To say he's taken you backwards is nonsense and also a lie.
We were an actual established PL side before he took over, so that's not a claim in his favour. Especially as we were an established side that, in the 5 years prior to his takeover, played in Europe 4 seasons. Our league finishes in those 5 seasons were; 3rd, 5th, 14th, 7th and 13th.

We've also stagnated off the field. Gary Lineker and the BBC visited with Sir Bobby in 2002 (I think?) as he proudly showed him around a shiny new training ground. Fuck all has changed there since then. Same story for the academy. And St James' still has the same dead pigeon in the netting that's been there for f***ing years.
 
In the last 5 years we've also been relegated and been involved in a relegation fight each season. £200m on players sounds great, but Bournemouth, Brighton, Villa, Watford, West Ham, Wolves, have all also spent north of £200m.

Ashley has taken us backwards as a club, to say anything otherwise is just silly.
How many of those teams had spent seasons in the Championship budgeting for it but then hit the 'extra' big money from the Premier League? How much did you spend in the 2 seasons when you went down and then came back up the season after?

Also where have Watford spent north of £200m or is this just outgoing spend and ignoring the near £200m they've got from selling players since 2015/16?


I can't be arsed to look at other teams but I thought it was all about NET spend and not just spend. Given the higher costs of already being in the PL compared to some of the clubs you named coming up on lower wage bills getting extra revenue due to PL then you'd expect them to have more money to spend.

As for backwards, that's rubbish as he hasn't been spending daft money chasing the top positions and financially aren't you quite stable? He's got lucky over the years as some players you've shifted on for good profits to absorb some player losses unlike SAFC who lost millions on numerous players which contributed to our downfall as it wasn't sustainable. See my post above as to why it's daft to spend too much on better players chasing the few millions per PL place you climb up.
 
There are a clutch of clubs who go into every season with the ambition to survive. The 3 promoted clubs, then Burnley, Palace, Southampton and Newcastle. That's where you are as a club. Celebrate when you achieve your natural goal. Though that may not happen this year he will give Bruce the resources to get you back up. It's the life a an also ran and has been throughout your history. Deal with it.
What about West Ham? Leicester? Brighton? Leeds? Wolves? Watford?

We cannot compete with the likes of Man City, but there's no reason why a well run Newcastle (even without a massive budget) couldn't compete with the likes of West Ham for top half.

Also, does this thinking mean Sunderland are where they should be, is League 1 your natural goal? Should Leicester stop trying to improve as their natural goal is around 5th in the Championship? Should Brighton backpedal and return to their natural goal of top half of League 1? Or should they want more?
 
What about West Ham? Leicester? Brighton? Leeds? Wolves? Watford?

We cannot compete with the likes of Man City, but there's no reason why a well run Newcastle (even without a massive budget) couldn't compete with the likes of West Ham for top half.

Also, does this thinking mean Sunderland are where they should be, is League 1 your natural goal? Should Leicester stop trying to improve as their natural goal is around 5th in the Championship? Should Brighton backpedal and return to their natural goal of top half of League 1? Or should they want more?
What about them? 🤔

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We were an actual established PL side before he took over, so that's not a claim in his favour. Especially as we were an established side that, in the 5 years prior to his takeover, played in Europe 4 seasons. Our league finishes in those 5 seasons were; 3rd, 5th, 14th, 7th and 13th.

We've also stagnated off the field. Gary Lineker and the BBC visited with Sir Bobby in 2002 (I think?) as he proudly showed him around a shiny new training ground. Fuck all has changed there since then. Same story for the academy. And St James' still has the same dead pigeon in the netting that's been there for f***ing years.
You were an established PL Club who were in a shit load of debt after Hall went for broke and failed. Ashley is a brilliant owner who has you stabilised where you should be. And all you lot do is give him dogs abuse. If I was him I'd take you to the wall
What about West Ham? Leicester? Brighton? Leeds? Wolves? Watford?

We cannot compete with the likes of Man City, but there's no reason why a well run Newcastle (even without a massive budget) couldn't compete with the likes of West Ham for top half.

Also, does this thinking mean Sunderland are where they should be, is League 1 your natural goal? Should Leicester stop trying to improve as their natural goal is around 5th in the Championship? Should Brighton backpedal and return to their natural goal of top half of League 1? Or should they want more?
The point I'm making is that the way your fanbase goes on (and they do) you were a European Super Club. You've never been. You're a mid table at best and spending big money (£200M over 4 years) has you where you should be. You're never going to compete with the Big Boys. A club of Sunderlands stature are aiming to be precisely where you are now as that is where our natural position is so your dig about us and L1 is bollocks as well and you know it. Accept where you are and be happy man. The amount of your fanbase that are are cliches.

Love a No9
Rafa had a plan
Famous Cup team
52000 screaming Geordies
Corrupt PL with an agenda

It's not 30 years ago you were mid table in Division 2 with 14k crowds in a shit tip whilst we beat you in the Play offs
 
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We were an actual established PL side before he took over, so that's not a claim in his favour. Especially as we were an established side that, in the 5 years prior to his takeover, played in Europe 4 seasons. Our league finishes in those 5 seasons were; 3rd, 5th, 14th, 7th and 13th.

We've also stagnated off the field. Gary Lineker and the BBC visited with Sir Bobby in 2002 (I think?) as he proudly showed him around a shiny new training ground. Fuck all has changed there since then. Same story for the academy. And St James' still has the same dead pigeon in the netting that's been there for f***ing years.
Established? 😂🤣

Due to new Premier League big money in the game you had 4 good seasons with Keegan and then another 4 seasons lower half 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th as the initial surge fizzled. Normally this yoyo spell would have resulted in relegation but you were falling from a higher position.

In the remaining 7 of Hall's seasons you had another 4 top half finishes but yet again it fizzled as you finished 14th, 7th, 12th and 12th in the last 4 seasons with your yoyo spell. Hall realised he couldn't keep spending money they weren't getting due to the lack of actual success so sold up. If Ashley continued spending in the same manner you would have sank faster than Leeds did.

Aye you went down as the usual money wasn't spent to supress the usual yoyo drop. You bounced straight back up and even hit 5th the season after with Pardew. After the last relegation yoyo in 2015/16, you've finished 10th, 13th, 13th and 12th the last 4 seasons.

At a rough guess, in the decade before Hall, NUFC were probably in a similar position to that Aston Villa have been in the last 10 seasons. You've simply reverted back to type now the big money spending days of the financially blossoming Premier League have long gone.

This is why we laugh at the fans who go on about deserving more etc etc. This fella has lived the same life as NUFC as he was a bin man but won the lottery so had a few good years but blew it and is now a coal man! 😂🤣

 
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In the last 5 years we've also been relegated and been involved in a relegation fight each season. £200m on players sounds great, but Bournemouth, Brighton, Villa, Watford, West Ham, Wolves, have all also spent north of £200m.

Ashley has taken us backwards as a club, to say anything otherwise is just silly.
The reason we have a club is because of Ashley.
The reason we have a premier league club is because of Ashley.
The man's done a lot wrong but he's done a lot right.
Too many people live on the back of Sir John Hall's time where he took a massive gamble at a time when most clubs were struggling for finances to fight at the top.

We ran on a little bit on the back of missing out on a title but that was still riding the crest of a wave that was petering out.

Before that we were also rans and after that we were also rans, like most teams trying to play catch up on the chosen few elite clubs.
Without Ashley and taking away the pretence of squillionaire Arabs and what not fairy stories, we could easily be sitting in league one ourselves, playing also ran to the also ran to the also ran.
Simple questions to Newcastle fans.

1. Where do you think Newcastle should consistently be in the table?
The same as most clubs. Trying to finish as high as possible (top ten) but also trying to ensure we live to fight another day avoiding relegation by a comfortable margin.



2. On what argument are you basing that?
On the fact that trying to battle it out against clubs that seem to splash cash for fun and knowing that most clubs are on par with spending in the also ran stakes, meaning we are in a football lottery of best of the rest after the elites.
 
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Aye, but you need only have a look at the threads on here to see how close we came to relegation in every season. e.g. last season had results on the final day gone the other way we could have ended 17th, instead of 12th. We went on an unbelievable run of results in the tail end of the season, which glossed over the abysmal run of form we endured 2 wins in 21 games (16/12/20 - 11/04/21).
Record books will show you finished 12th mate to go with your previous mid table finishes. Hardly the end of the world and as bad as your fans make out.
 
Any of the resident maggots accept that Big Mike saved them from going into administration after their beloved Hall had the club on the verge due to borrowing?
 
We were an actual established PL side before he took over, so that's not a claim in his favour. Especially as we were an established side that, in the 5 years prior to his takeover, played in Europe 4 seasons. Our league finishes in those 5 seasons were; 3rd, 5th, 14th, 7th and 13th.
You do realise that you were mortgaged to the hilt in order to pay for those 5 seasons and that it was not sustainable. Even if Hall and Shepherd had stayed, your day in the sun was over and the slide had already started.
 
We were an actual established PL side before he took over, so that's not a claim in his favour. Especially as we were an established side that, in the 5 years prior to his takeover, played in Europe 4 seasons. Our league finishes in those 5 seasons were; 3rd, 5th, 14th, 7th and 13th.

We've also stagnated off the field. Gary Lineker and the BBC visited with Sir Bobby in 2002 (I think?) as he proudly showed him around a shiny new training ground. Fuck all has changed there since then. Same story for the academy. And St James' still has the same dead pigeon in the netting that's been there for f***ing years.
How many f***ing times do yous need to be told.

IT WAS UN f***ing SUSTAINABLE.
 
They were pissed off when the brighton fans didn't join their protest, totally unaware that brighton almost went out of the football league in 1997, spent years in the wilderness, had an owner who sold their ground and played 2 seasons of home games 70 miles away in gillingham. they were pissed off that the brighton fans lacked sympathy towards Newcastles 'plight'. sums them up

This.

They have no bloody clue what it's like to really have a shit owner
 
We were an actual established PL side before he took over, so that's not a claim in his favour. Especially as we were an established side that, in the 5 years prior to his takeover, played in Europe 4 seasons. Our league finishes in those 5 seasons were; 3rd, 5th, 14th, 7th and 13th.

We've also stagnated off the field. Gary Lineker and the BBC visited with Sir Bobby in 2002 (I think?) as he proudly showed him around a shiny new training ground. Fuck all has changed there since then. Same story for the academy. And St James' still has the same dead pigeon in the netting that's been there for f***ing years.
You were an actual established PL side based on spending money you didn’t have to the extent that banks wouldn’t lend you any money at the time Ashley took over. That was built on sand and that ‘successful’ period wad unsustainable. You should thank your lucky stars that MA saved you.
 
You were an actual established PL side based on spending money you didn’t have to the extent that banks wouldn’t lend you any money at the time Ashley took over. That was built on sand and that ‘successful’ period wad unsustainable. You should thank your lucky stars that MA saved you.
Ah man don't let the truth spoil his ramblings
 
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