Hank Scorpio
Striker
If they extend again mate, I suspect the Govt will lose public confidence.
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If they extend again mate, I suspect the Govt will lose public confidence.
Shieldsman
Striker
True. Problem with the 21st June is it’s 21 days away and as it stands, cases in the country are up 28% in a week, hospital admissions are up 23% and deaths are up 45%.
Admittedly, all are up from initial low starting figures but that’s exactly how wave 1 and 2 started.
Is there any other country in the world on the verge of ending all restrictions - especially one currently dealing with rising data?
There’s far too much of this ‘we’re British, we’re indestructible mentality’ which is partly why we’ve got so neck deep in terms of deaths per head following wave 1 and 2.
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DaveH
Striker
SAFCOldie
Striker
Wave one started due to the introduction of a novel virus entering the bug cycle, wave two started due to winter and any wave 3 will again be due to winter... the difference being all the vulnerable are vaccinated
Internet blows up.Could you describe this post apocalyptic world for us?
Fireworks going off.
Toys thrown about.
DaveH
Striker
Why will there be more waves when it was done and dusted last June?Wave one started due to the introduction of a novel virus entering the bug cycle, wave two started due to winter and any wave 3 will again be due to winter... the difference being all the vulnerable are vaccinated
SAFCOldie
Striker
It was done and dusted then because we assumed we would have no vaccine for years. At some point under any scenario it has to be classed as over.
Shieldsman
Striker
These vaccinations you refer to. 100 reliable against the now dominant Indian variant?Wave one started due to the introduction of a novel virus entering the bug cycle, wave two started due to winter and any wave 3 will again be due to winter... the difference being all the vulnerable are vaccinated
I’ll fill in the numbers...Pfizer, which most of the vulnerable have got is 88% reliable. AZ is only 60%. That’s a hell of lot of people playing roulette should they contract the Indian variant which, as you know, is doubling at a rapid rate.
It isn’t just vulnerable people getting ill/dying either.
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SAFCOldie
Striker
So what's your suggestion then? Go down this line and it's game over, scariients will keep popping up all the time.
DaveH
Striker
so it was done and dusted last June but we had a second wave and you think we will get a third.But the reason covid was over and done with was because we thought we would have no vaccine. Now we have a vaccine it is back with a vengence?
Is that really what you are saying?
What do you mean by done? No more cases and no more deaths, or something else?
SAFCOldie
Striker
It's endemic now, decisions need to be made based on this and all the vulnerable vaccinated. It's joined the seasonal winter bugs.
But the reason covid was over and done with was because we thought we would have no vaccine. Now we have a vaccine it is back with a vengence?
Is that really what you are saying?
What do you mean by done? No more cases and no more deaths, or something else?
Shieldsman
Striker
This conversation ended when you called a variant a scariient. It’s people’s lives and health we’re talking about here. It’s not some race to get back standing at the bar in a pub.
SAFCOldie
Striker
So no suggestion then, just the ongoing destruction of the economy and everything that comes with it. Nice one.
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DaveH
Striker
You didn’t answer any of my questions but now seem to agree that this is not over, so well done on finally recognising it.
SAFCOldie
Striker
It will join the family of winter bugs, even Witty admitted this. So therefore a decision needs to be made now. It's pretty simple stuff.
DaveH
Striker
Why now, we are a long way from winter?
They are pretty high efficacy ratings for vaccines.
Very few vaccines are 100% effective - even AZ is thought to be higher than 60%, it's just that they currently can't be any more accurate as they don't have the same number of people double-vaccinated with it as they do with Pfizer.
We have to go back to normal sometime - your argument that it can't be one thing one day and something else the next can be used to stop any return to normality at anytime.
There will always be some who say that a particular date for a return to normality is wrong, and who will manipulate statistics to back up their argument. When those people are a minority, the needs of the majority must take precedence - I suspect that, outside of the rarified atmosphere of forums like this, the majority want normality back as soon as possible and can see nothing in the figures being churned out on a daily basis to stop that, despite what the media are telling them.
Headlines and bylines containing the phrase 'some scientists say......' and the word 'variant' are starting to be the most dreaded and despised by many people - they are starting to lose their credibility and weight for a lot of people as they just don't see the figures backing up the doom-laden messages that accompany the phrases.
What they do see is a highly successful vaccination program with a huge uptake which is amongst the best in the world, if not the best.
If that is not our way out then I'm afraid nothing is.
A lot of states in the USA are pretty much open season, Texas and Florida at least have removed all restrictions I think. Full stadiums the lot.
SAFCOldie
Striker
Because come winter this all gets conflated with any respiratory illness.
raindog
Winger
Honestley cant see what is to be gained from a lockdown again.. Exponentially going by the grain of rice on a chess board theory, I would imagine everyone has at some point in time would have been exposed to the virus from (mild infection to more a more severe infection) which may have caused a stay in hospitial or even ITU. Then we are alsi witnessing a fantastic uptake of the vaccine just for good measure.
I also heard on TV news that most of the current hospitalisations are by those 65 +,who have previously had their Covid vaccinations 1 or even both. It would also be reasonable to assume the majority of this group of the population would probably still be happy on the whole to continue to shield as they have already been doing for well over a year or so now.
I also heard on TV news that most of the current hospitalisations are by those 65 +,who have previously had their Covid vaccinations 1 or even both. It would also be reasonable to assume the majority of this group of the population would probably still be happy on the whole to continue to shield as they have already been doing for well over a year or so now.
