CC :: Durham v Worcestershire



Voice of fair play said:
I respectfully disgrace mate on two counts, firstly time at the crease and scoring runs for him will be invaluable going forward for him and team, so of course see where you coming from, but vitally he had already done that, hanging on and hanging on for a few more runs does not make that much difference imo. if any at all

Secondly and most importantly I have a strong long held belief in any sport and in any team, the team has to come first before individual glory.

What happens if a captain wants to declare when another player is in the 90s but waits again for that player to get a hundred atthe expense of the team possibly winning or losing a game.

The culture always needs to be created that in any team sport the team always comes first!

You absolutely spot on there mate imo
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But it's fairly easy to make a case that Jack Burnham playing well is an asset to the team/club down the line and breaking his century drought would help and be worth more than a couple of overs in a match such as this.
 
rentaghost said:
If we end up with them 9 down tomorrow i'm sure people will have plenty to say but Burnham getting his first 100 in 5 years is massive in the bigger picture. they have done the right thing in my opinion.
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Classic case of performance versus result conversation we were having on here recently

Ideally we win from here but if we don't its on the captain's decision not down to Burnham really, although the match really asked for him to get there quickly or get out trying not crawl to 100
 
smoker said:
Another example of conservative captaincy from SB. No team is going to have a punt at 400+. They will, as Marty says, drop anchor. They should have got a message on to JB at 350 lead he had six overs to get his ton or we declare.

HP?
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There’s a school of thought which suggests batting a side out of the game is more beneficial both psychologically and because it will allow us to be more aggressive going after the ten wickets.
 
Borthwick should have taken the catch. Frustrating but if they knock it off fair play to them as scoring 400+ batting forth at Riverside takes some doing.

Pitch looks pretty decent for batting although let’s hope the bounce rules in our favour
 
Bri said:
But it's fairly easy to make a case that Jack Burnham playing well is an asset to the team/club down the line and breaking his century drought would help and be worth more than a couple of overs in a match such as this.
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Yeah it is I agree, but also fairly easy to say him batting as long as he did to make as many runs as he did before his hundred would have give him a lot of confidence anyway to help the team going forward and that time at the crease makes more of a difference to your point, than scoring just over a hundred as opposed to just under a hundred.

Besides my main point is that the team any team should declare when it is right for the team to give them the best chance to win the game irrespective of what score a particular player is on.

To me mate and granted I get on my soap box about this ,is that it’s all about creating the correct culture and waiting for any player to get a hundred before declaring will always be the wrong culture imo.
 
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gowlcra said:
Borthwick should have taken the catch. Frustrating but if they knock it off fair play to them as scoring 400+ batting forth at Riverside takes some doing.

Pitch looks pretty decent for batting although let’s hope the bounce rules in our favour
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They won't knock it off. Mitchell was able to punish every bad delivery because we came out with an attacking field full of gaps to try and buy some early wickets.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah it is I agree, but also fairly easy to say him batting as long as he did to make as many runs as he did before his hundred would have give him a lot of confidence anyway to help the team going forward and that time at the crease makes more of a difference to your point, than scoring just over a hundred as opposed to just under a hundred.

Besides my main point is that the team any team should declare when it is right for the team to give them the best chance to win the game irrespective of what score a particular player is on.

To me mate and granted I get on my soap box about this ,is that it’s all about creating the correct culture and waiting for any player to get a hundred before declaring will always be the wrong culture imo.
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Hes had plenty of good knocks what he hasn't had since his first year in professional cricket is a first class hundred and for a batsmen they are priceless. For Durham's future and for Jack Burnham today was crucially important. Today Durham were never going to declare before Ned going from 40odd to 80 odd in two and a bit overs so they probably batted 4 or 5 overs more than they should have done due to Burnham. Durham will have factored that they would either win tomorrow or draw that game with those few overs not being a factor. If they have them 8 or 9 down it will have proven a poor call but time will tell.

You are allowed to get on your soap box about 'correct culture' but I would argue leaving Burnham hanging out to dry on 95 when he has went 5 years without a century would be the wrong thing to do and i reckon almost every professional cricketer would agree.
 
rentaghost said:
Hes had plenty of good knocks what he hasn't had since his first year in professional cricket is a first class hundred and for a batsmen they are priceless. For Durham's future and for Jack Burnham today was crucially important. Today Durham were never going to declare before Ned going from 40odd to 80 odd in two and a bit overs so they probably batted 4 or 5 overs more than they should have done due to Burnham. Durham will have factored that they would either win tomorrow or draw that game with those few overs not being a factor. If they have them 8 or 9 down it will have proven a poor call but time will tell.

You are allowed to get on your soap box about 'correct culture' but I would argue leaving Burnham hanging out to dry on 95 when he has went 5 years without a century would be the wrong thing to do and i reckon almost every professional cricketer would agree.
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I guess it comes down more to how a individual thinks and what gives him confidence going forward in this case Burnham.

If it was me I would be over the moon I had batted well in making 95 and would be feeling confident having done that, and if a captain declared then I would respect that, in fact if that was best for the team would actually want him too!

And I would be feeling very confident going into the next game because of the knock i just had, and don’t see how spending another 6 overs moving my score from 95 to say a 105 as important for my confidence as helping the team win the game!

Others like yourself my see a personal milestone of over a 100 more important to a players confidence which I can see and respect, just don’t believe in it, I believe in helping a team win more important which he had done by making a big score whether he got a hundred or not!

Like I say it depends on how that individual thinks and puts as a priority.

What happens tomorrow would not have any bearing on my core belief that a team should always come first
 
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Another match I've dipped in and out of, we're so close to being a really side. If we can transplant the 00s side's killer instinct into this team we won't be far away.

Got no problem with letting Burnham get his ton. If it helps him feel like he belongs at this level and can turn talent into proper runs, then all the better.
 
Chuffed for burnham

lads been through a lot, mostly self inflicted, doesn’t mean you can’t bounce back though

local lad, not polished, coming through, that’s what Durham is about for me

rather try with these lads then getting 95% of your academy lads from public schools
 
The Rat said:
Chuffed for burnham

lads been through a lot, mostly self inflicted, doesn’t mean you can’t bounce back though

local lad, not polished, coming through, that’s what Durham is about for me

rather try with these lads then getting 95% of your academy lads from public schools
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This.

I thought of The Voice of Reason when he got his ton. Ted taught him and loved to see him do well.
 

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