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Any Other School Staff Going On Strike?

School in horden has said it isn't going to open. Letter from ours today saying they're going to have a meeting tomorrow to decide (teacher training tomorrow already)

I've always said closing schools should be the very last resort. It think its time now.
 

Old Timer said:
I can and I have seen it in several schools.

The other part of this is the mixing at the school gates and on the way to and from school, this produces an easy way for the virus to spread.
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I think that is one of the reasons why the virus has been allowed to spread. I know at my kids' school most parents and (even more worryingly) grandparents stand and chat and treat the school like social hour.
Doberman said:
unless you'd rather they didn't get out of the classroom from 9-3 then it is absolutely impossible to keep to bubbles at all times. We've got 12 groups in our school (quite a low number) and even we couldn't do that. 12 breaks and 12 seperate lunchtimes? This was made abundently clear over the summer.

If the aim is no mixing at all, we simply can't accomodate the numbers we'd need to and therefore the solution is remote learning!
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Our school rope off the playground and stagger lunch.
PTR said:
School in horden has said it isn't going to open. Letter from ours today saying they're going to have a meeting tomorrow to decide (teacher training tomorrow already)

I've always said closing schools should be the very last resort. It think its time now.
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I'm not sending my daughter, she's too worried. I'll send her when they can all go back.
 
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superdougle said:
Just enclosed in buses trains and work places, with more than 30 people, I know that the school
My children go to still have all the children playing out at play time at the same time, let them start and end school at the same time. I understand the implications and the most vulnerable be protected in all walks of life, and should be shielded but the fit and healthy teachers should be at school.
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Teachers have been at school all of the time, the last thing I and I think everyone wants is children and young people not in school.
We all realise how damaging it is for them. Personally, in my job I hate that those vulnerable aren’t in school because it means they aren’t being seen on a daily basis by teachers that can help them, and refer them to services if necessary. It scared the shit out of me during the time kids weren’t going to school what might be happening to them.
But, currently, given the infection and death rates and evidence showing how much it’s spreading among kids, if they have to close for a few weeks to get the vaccine rolled out and keep people safer its worth it.
 
Hansel said:
Have you considered it's from aerosols of contaminated air breathed out from infected individuals?
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Which land on a surface where others come into contact with it.
When they keep changing the reason why it's spread it's hard to consider anything. We know the virus can live for a long length of time on surfaces. Now the link you quoted say thats changed. Masks are compulsory just about everywhere and though we have been told air contact is very low risk we are still seeing cases increase. I'll just stick to what I'm doing now which has worked so far. Low contact with shops and other crowds. Wash hands, wear a mask and sanitise.
 
I'm supportive of the schools closing as long as there is a sensible and viable solution to the impact it has on learning for large numbers of students.

Online mitigates the impact but it simply isn't up to the level of face to face teaching and this will have a massive impact on kids not only in exam years but those one step away from them.
  • I've experienced secondary schools running two year GCSE programmes and monitoring progress to a massive extent making it clear that kids can't leave themselves with too much 'catching up' to do in year 11.
  • I've experienced primary schools simply 'hot housing 'the kids in Year 6 with a single focus on English and Maths to prepare them as best they can for SATS and the potential closure right now will impact that and undoubtedly performance
This is just another reason why the govt don't want schools to close as they either don't know or don't like the answer (this is based on their complete aversion to teacher based grades)

Lets not forget the fact that a main reason is in closing schools lots of parents would not be able to continue working and the govt clearly don't like that idea.

Son's secondary school will have him online until 18th Jan at least, daughters primary have told us today that they are reviewing current guidance with DCC tomorrow and will inform us of their decision re online learning/full school opening.
 
Squirrel said:
No need to apologise, hope all goes well.

I've just come upstairs as the Mrs is downstairs getting angrier and angrier that the school's aren't closed and I'm getting the brunt of it. 😂
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:lol: :lol: scenes repeated throughout the country. The sunday blues are brutal enough without the unions telling us schools aren't safe whilst the government tell us to crack on.

We've got an inset day tomorrow which was put into the calendar about a week ago to let us properly prepare for a testing system in school and to discuss the various things that have been asked of us since we closed for Christmas.

We've got a google meet meeting tomorrow at 10:30am that we'll be joining from our classrooms because, you know, it's not safe to gather in large groups. :)
 
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rudd said:
Does it? It makes me wonder how many people don't understand basic principles of transmission.
Every face to face interaction is a risk.
Everything you touch is a risk.

Risks are reduced by keeping interaction to smaller groups, at greater distance, with masks to reduce dispersal, mixing outdoors or in larger areas to increase dilution of the viral load and cleaning surfaces and hands. It's simple but it's been an absolute failure of the government to pass this over in a consistent manner.
Nothing is perfect but that's the definition of risk mitigation, reducing the chance of an adverse event happening.
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I was being sarcastic.
You're right what you say though. When there was a shortage of masks we were told masks didn't work as air transmission is very low risk. Then we were told to wear a mask because suddenly it now is a risk. There's no clarity that's why I just use common sense. Which is probably why I've never caught it, touch wood.
 
zinedine said:
I was being sarcastic.
You're right what you say though. When there was a shortage of masks we were told masks didn't work as air transmission is very low risk. Then we were told to wear a mask because suddenly it now is a risk. There's no clarity that's why I just use common sense. Which is probably why I've never caught it, touch wood.
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I know mate, sorry. The continued conspiracy shit and dullards are really annoying me.
Careful touching wood though, it's a risk ;)
 
zinedine said:
Which land on a surface where others come into contact with it.
When they keep changing the reason why it's spread it's hard to consider anything. We know the virus can live for a long length of time on surfaces. Now the link you quoted say thats changed. Masks are compulsory just about everywhere and though we have been told air contact is very low risk we are still seeing cases increase. I'll just stick to what I'm doing now which has worked so far. Low contact with shops and other crowds. Wash hands, wear a mask and sanitise.
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Droplets and aerosols are different and behave differently. They contribute to transmission in different ways. You're right that what we are being told is changing but the evidence has changed. At the beginning of the pandemic more focus was given to the risk from surfaces but like I said we know more now and the scientific advice has been amended to take this into account.
 
rudd said:
I know mate, sorry. The continued conspiracy shit and dullards are really annoying me.
Careful touching wood though, it's a risk ;)
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I sanitised straight after. :)
Hansel said:
Droplets and aerosols are different and behave differently. They contribute to transmission in different ways. You're right that what we are being told is changing but the evidence has changed. At the beginning of the pandemic more focus was given to the risk from surfaces but like I said we know more now and the scientific advice has been amended to take this into account.
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The virus is small enough to pass through the fibres of a mask, but the droplets the virus is contained in can't. So wearing a mask should protect you from a cough or sneeze in the air. I remember when the first lockdown started I was queuing with the wife and a couple left the shop. He was wearing a full germ warfare SAS style rubber mask. while his girl was wearing a cloth thing. There were a few comments in the queue about it including looks like he places his life above his partner. I doubt he'd have worn it at all if he knew it protected others from him more than it protected him from others.
 
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superdougle said:
Surely the school should put measures in place to prevent mixing at the gates, I’m more than certain if someone wanted to wear protective equipment to preserve their well being, there would have been no objection.
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Schools have no power outside of their gates. So tell me who is going to police parents at the gates and around the school but not on school grounds
 
PTR said:
School in horden has said it isn't going to open. Letter from ours today saying they're going to have a meeting tomorrow to decide (teacher training tomorrow already)

I've always said closing schools should be the very last resort. It think its time now.
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Horden has education ??
 
The reason we are sending ours in is if we keep them away when do we send them back? If you say in two weeks.. thats when id imagine the rates up here will be sky high so then you keep them off even longer.
 
Just had a message from my sons school, only key worker & vulnerable kids should attend tomorrow. After the longest 2 weeks of my life with a 2 & 6yo. I was actually looking forward to to a day off (at work tomorrow). Excuse my ignorance, but what do schools class as vulnerable? Just out of interest
 
Billy2Sheds said:
Need to close supermarkets then.

Their workers will have more interactions with a greater number of different people on a daily basis.

From the bbc:

There is understandable concern about teachers. Research by the Office for National Statistics suggests they have been at no greater risk of infection than other professions working outside the home.
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Can't shut supermarkets mate. Us supermarket workers have been deemed an acceptable sacrifice whilst everything else is too dangerous. For less pay than 90% of proffesions aswell.
 
If there has been no ballot, whatever anyones feelings, and they are understandably running high, going on strike, without a ballot is dangerous ground, employment rights wise
 
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