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Takeover News/Rumours - Part 42

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Just trying to add a bit of context.
It's ok saying he spent £60m and failed to get promoted, but Bristol sold some of his best players for huge profits to Premier league teams, maybe if they kept them they would have been promoted.

I don't know why I'm fighting his corner like, I don't even want him.😂

Haha I’m baffled how they have even come to the conclusion he’s the man 🤷‍♂️

It’s very Phil Babbesque
 

Do you mean NO TAKEOVER ? JUST SHARED OWNERSHIP with big investment
Shared in favour of the new lad plus Sartori, not your party pals though. If anyone, you included, suggests that the majority shareholder will now be in the minority, will have very little say, yet it still isn’t a takeover, need to look again. People think that JS will align with Donald and Charlie. Why would they look for a billionaire to line up with a couple of muppets. You are only spouting this shite because from the start, when Charlie was buttering your toast, he told you to tell us it was an investment only. You’ve swayed that many times in the interim, from takeover to investment, it wouldn’t surprise me if your last word on it is “investover”.
 
I’m not sure I understand your logic Grumps. These appointments are uninspiring at best and f***ing shit at worst and history tells us that they’re exactly the type of appointments the ‘dynamic duo’ would plump for, the f***ing arseholes. But perhaps worse still, if these are indeed the new regime’s influenced decisions, I mean, fuck me, it’s just more of the f***ing same.
Marra there’s no way on Gods green earth that Donald would employ a Sporting director. That’s the one that tells you in no uncertain terms that somethings changed. Listening to his interview and the remit he’s been given merely confirms that. I won’t completely relax till we’ve got a public statement of the new structure but for now I’m confident that we’re gonna end up roughly where we want to.
 
Marra there’s no way on Gods green earth that Donald would employ a Sporting director. That’s the one that tells you in no uncertain terms that somethings changed. Listening to his interview and the remit he’s been given merely confirms that. I won’t completely relax till we’ve got a public statement of the new structure but for now I’m confident that we’re gonna end up roughly where we want to.

totally agree. Wouldn’t get hung up on “ownership group”. He’s hardly gonna say “I work for the new majority owners, the previous lot had nothing to do with me coming in”. It sounds like we finally have a medium to long term plan, if we get there it’ll be really exciting being a Sunderland fan again.

also im glad it’s Johnson we’ve got because that’s speakmans pick clearly so it shows who’s in charge.
 
This is a complete guess but, I am of the assumption that there will be a classification and option to purchase shares at certain trigger points, or after a certain period of time.

I would suspect that KLD will have the option over SD and JS over CM shares. This triggered at either say a) promotion to the Championship at a certain price, and or b) promotion to the Premier League, or c) after fixed periods of time.

i suspect that the voting rules contained within the Shareholders Agreement, will also ensure that there is some restriction that prevents either of KLD or JS alIgning with minority shareholders to outvote the other major shareholder.

Via the above structure, KLD and JS would have control on all decision making with SD only receiving further enhanced payments when the club actually succeeds. CM would effectively be holding his 5% based on a latter return whereas SD gets a partial return now and reduces his financial liabilities.

Far too sensible for here that :)

Honestly, you almost certainly aren't too far adrift on that. The other possibility is that JS moves his shares into a newco co-owned by him and KLD. That gives the newco an unassailable 80% vote in shareholder meetings, and that the two of them have to work in concensus. It also makes it easier to bring in new consortium members as shareholder in the newco, without diluting SDs and CMs holdings in Madrox (which would remain subject to the terms of the current deal)/

Speakman.
It doesn’t make you right either. Certainly possible CM is still involved and Rodwell is their man.
Do we have a clue how involved Rodwell was in this appointment?

We have the new SpD saying categorically that he's recruiting the head coach.
So? He still had £60m to spend on his side and kept them mid table

Over £60m according to transfermarkt but there’s probably a few mil discrepancy either way

Transdermarkt fees are unreliable to say the least. Where a fee is undisclosed they just chuck in the last press rumour or their own valuation.
Do we know who Rodwell will report to? At best it’s one new part owner and the rest all the same people surely?
I like the look of the structure, not convinced by the people they are putting in the roles so far but time will tell.

Rodwell and Speakman will be direct, but separate, reports to the ownership group. One admin, one football.
Ah was he trying to get promotion from the net spend league not the championship like. Fair play if so

Lansdown is not a sugar daddy owner. What cash he's put in has been into redeveloping Ashton Gate. Managers there have to sell to buy. Simple as that.
 
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Far too sensible for here that :)

Honestly, you almost certainly aren't too far adrift on that. The other possibility is that JS moves his shares into a newco co-owned by him and KLD. That gives the newco an unassailable 80% vote in shareholder meetings, and that the two of them have to work in concensus. It also makes it easier to bring in new consortium members as shareholder in the newco, without diluting SDs and CMs holdings in Madrox (which would remain subject to the terms of the current deal)/


Speakman.


We have the new SpD saying categorically that he's recruiting the head coach.


Transdermarkt fees are unreliable to say the least. Where a fee is undisclosed they just chuck in the last press rumour or their own valuation.


Rodwell and Speakman will be direct, but separate, reports to the ownership group. One admin, one football.

Formed a few JV’s in my time with complicated shareholding arrangements including counter loans.... ;-)
 
Far too sensible for here that :)

Honestly, you almost certainly aren't too far adrift on that. The other possibility is that JS moves his shares into a newco co-owned by him and KLD. That gives the newco an unassailable 80% vote in shareholder meetings, and that the two of them have to work in concensus. It also makes it easier to bring in new consortium members as shareholder in the newco, without diluting SDs and CMs holdings in Madrox (which would remain subject to the terms of the current deal)/


Speakman.


We have the new SpD saying categorically that he's recruiting the head coach.


Transdermarkt fees are unreliable to say the least. Where a fee is undisclosed they just chuck in the last press rumour or their own valuation.


Rodwell and Speakman will be direct, but separate, reports to the ownership group. One admin, one football.


Lansdown is not a sugar daddy owner. What cash he's put in has been into redeveloping Ashton Gate. Managers there have to sell to buy. Simple as that.
What’s your point though? Most managers have to sell to buy. He’s spent most of the money he brought in and failed to improve them beyond mid table. Their fans and board don’t think that was enough so why would we?
 
What’s your point though? Most managers have to sell to buy. He’s spent most of the money he brought in and failed to improve them beyond mid table. Their fans and board don’t think that was enough so why would we?
Cos we're nowhere near midtable championship at the minute mate :lol:

He's improved Bristol while he's been there from relegation candidates to established mid table.... I'd snap your hand off for that in the Championship.

If Speakman thinks he's the right guy, and the system we're putting in place is right I'm willing to give him a chance. At least we'll play some attacking football along the way.
 
What’s your point though? Most managers have to sell to buy. He’s spent most of the money he brought in and failed to improve them beyond mid table. Their fans and board don’t think that was enough so why would we?

For City that's consistent overachievement. For most of Lansdown's tenure (he became chairman in 2002), they've been a tier 2/3 yo-y0 club, only able to boast because Rovers have been a T3/T4 yo-yo club (with an embarrassing excursion into the Conference).
 
For City that's consistent overachievement. For most of Lansdown's tenure (he became chairman in 2002), they've been a tier 2/3 yo-y0 club, only able to boast because Rovers have been a T3/T4 yo-yo club (with an embarrassing excursion into the Conference).
Imagine if we overachieved on our potential 😎
 
Cos we're nowhere near midtable championship at the minute mate :lol:

He's improved Bristol while he's been there from relegation candidates to established mid table.... I'd snap your hand off for that in the Championship.

If Speakman thinks he's the right guy, and the system we're putting in place is right I'm willing to give him a chance. At least we'll play some attacking football along the way.
We havent got any option but to give him a chance, I just think theres nothing on his CV that suggests he's the right appointment whatsoever. I've no idea whether he'll do well here or not but I certainly dont understand why anyone would be encouraged by the appointment. We do this with every appointment, nobody wanted him before and he was widely accepted as the worst option on the list of realistic names but now we have to be positive and try and find positives where there are none. I'm not just being negative for the sake of it here. Was very happy with the restructure above and the appointment of Speakman.
His recruitment seems fairly poor. He won’t have any control in that that regard here.
He didnt control it at BC. CEO did but Johnson had a veto
 
Imagine if we overachieved on our potential 😎

I'd spontaneously combust, can't for one minute imagine following a successful Sunlun.

Listening to Speakman's interview, things sound promising for a change... no way would Donald sanction or put in that much investment in to a medium to long term plan.

We should all remain cautious, and ask the right questions of the new "Ownership Group" but let's not be overly negative for the sake of it either.

I'm on the fence, let's see if we can actually deliver for a change.
 
Marra there’s no way on Gods green earth that Donald would employ a Sporting director. That’s the one that tells you in no uncertain terms that somethings changed. Listening to his interview and the remit he’s been given merely confirms that. I won’t completely relax till we’ve got a public statement of the new structure but for now I’m confident that we’re gonna end up roughly where we want to.
I take your points but the fundamental issue that needs addressing is uniting the fans and these appointments have failed hugely.
 
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