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When do we start talking about Jos Buttler?

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rentaghost said:
Of course that's how averages work :D You did say though that his average was still in its 20s.
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Since then he's failed in the Windies, failed in NZ, failed in The Ashes, failed in SA. Now we're up to 40 tests and his average is still in the 20s

I was doing it in timeline, if that wasn't clear. And it was.

Now we're up to 46 tests and it's 32-33(?)
 
Steak Pie said:
Since then he's failed in the Windies, failed in NZ, failed in The Ashes, failed in SA. Now we're up to 40 tests and his average is still in the 20s

I was doing it in timeline, if that wasn't clear. And it was.

Now we're up to 46 tests and it's 32-33(?)
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Ah fair enough ;)
The Rat said:
Jesus wept are these idiots still at it???

just absolutely embarassing:lol::lol:


You are

constantly gloating

Its pathetic
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Please lads don't respond.
 
rentaghost said:
Ah fair enough ;)


Please lads don't respond.
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It’s pretty disgraceful the way some posters have hammered him, good to see he’s made complete fools of them

you can start all this patronizing stuff but the reality is every time he getw out for a low score or makes a slight error the same idiots log on and start gloating
Salem Street South said:
It's all been humorous pisstaking, they've always been big fans and wanted him to succeed.
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:lol:
 
TheRey said:
I don't think the criticism he got was out of order at all. He had been in very poor form in Test cricket since the India series in 2018, and was starting to cost more runs than he was scoring. His place was under scrutiny, he himself admitted that.

And I think a lot of the "comical" comments were more aimed at the likes of Johnson and latterly that Salem geezer, who bizarrely seem to take any criticism of Buttler - however valid - as a personal affront. I honestly think Salem cries to his mother every time Jos gets any mild criticism!

That said, he has performed admirably in this series, and has earned the right to keep his place. I have my serious doubts about how he'll fare in the subcontinent, but he's just about earned the right to play down there.
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Some fair points there mate, apart from your last one ' he has just about earned the right to play down there'

I find that quite wide of the mark, he has just scored 150, and was brilliant in the previous test winning the game.

It's totally fair to say before this series and at the point you started this thread his place was rightly under scrutiny.

Buts it's not fair to say he has just about earned the right to play, when he has scored the most runs in the team this summer, he is very much earned the right to play down there for performing excellent when the pressure was on him!
The Breen Machine said:
Think it's been more tongue in cheek humour than us actually thinking he's a joke figure. I can't speak fully for the others but I've always considered him an outstanding white ball talent that simply hadn't adapted to test cricket, rather than some T20 slogger who should never play the longer format. I'm pleased he's starting to prove me wrong as he's good to watch and seems a really nice lad.

Won't deny that some comments made will have been gentle provocation for amusement purposes.
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Fair enough mate, however at times there was times were he was perceived as a joke figure in similar mould as I have seen in the past with players, who Buttler has more talent in his little finger than.

I have always have and are still confused how a player of his undoubted ability all be in mostly in other formats was perceived that way.

At times posters were actually taking the piss out of a batsman who had something like 5 of the top ten faster 100s of all time by a Englishman! I found that utterly bizarre.

Even if the money runs were scored in another format the pissing taking of such a talented player confused me and still does.
The Breen Machine said:
WTF?!

Terrible post, you know nothing about cricket

Insane you like

Log off
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:D Absolute class mate!!
The Rat said:
It’s pretty disgraceful the way some posters have hammered him, good to see he’s made complete fools of them

you can start all this patronizing stuff but the reality is every time he getw out for a low score or makes a slight error the same idiots log on and start gloating


:lol:
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Tbf mate the only poster who has hammered him has been that travelling whoever who talks total bullshit, the rest have just put balanced views across, still disagreed with them like :D :D
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Some fair points there mate, apart from your last one ' he has just about earned the right to play down there'

I find that quite wide of the mark, he has just scored 150, and was brilliant in the previous test winning the game.

It's totally fair to say before this series and at the point you started this thread his place was rightly under scrutiny.

Buts it's not fair to say he has just about earned the right to play, when he has scored the most runs in the team this summer, he is very much earned the right to play down there for performing excellent when the pressure was on him!
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He's more than earned his ticket with the bat, but his keeping still leaves some work to be desired, especially on spinning pitches, which is why I say "just about". If Pope, for example, is injured for the tour, based on this form I'd have no issue at all with him playing as a batter, but I'm still unsure about him being WK over there (although I'm obviously aware he will be).

That's what I meant by just about, not as a dig; just that I don't think he'll cope behind the sticks, but equally his form during this series means it'd be very, very harsh to drop him.
 
TheRey said:
He's more than earned his ticket with the bat, but his keeping still leaves some work to be desired, especially on spinning pitches, which is why I say "just about". If Pope, for example, is injured for the tour, based on this form I'd have no issue at all with him playing as a batter, but I'm still unsure about him being WK over there (although I'm obviously aware he will be).

That's what I meant by just about, not as a dig; just that I don't think he'll cope behind the sticks, but equally his form during this series means it'd be very, very harsh to drop him.
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I do think taking everything into account, he has now more than earned his place, you can't drop your top run scorer in a summer.

And while his place been questioned in the past, was absolutely fair enough, his performances in this series should mean this should not even be a debate no more, and this thread should end.

At least till he misses a stumping in his next test! and no doubt it will bumped and we will be off again!
 
Gough out

out for me


jimmys 599th, yes umpires call

ali lbw jimmy 42.

88 for 2
Wrong thread :lol:
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I do think taking everything into account, he has now more than earned his place, you can't drop your top run scorer in a summer.

And while his place been questioned in the past, was absolutely fair enough, his performances in this series should mean this should not even be a debate no more, and this thread should end.

At least till he misses a stumping in his next test! and no doubt it will bumped and we will be off again!
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As I say, he's more than earned his place in the batting line, but I don't think he has behind the stumps.

All academic of course, as he'll be keeping wicket barring injury - but that's what I mean by "just about".

His batting definitely has, but his keeping has let him down
 
Voice of fair play said:
Buts it's not fair to say he has just about earned the right to play, when he has scored the most runs in the team this summer, he is very much earned the right to play down there for performing excellent when the pressure was on him!
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You keep saying that chief, but as I alluded to last time....... Zak Crawley beat him. By one. :lol:

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Butler's handling standing up to the wicket is in need of improvement -not surprising, it's a very specialist skill. Any criticism should be directed towards the W/k coach -currently Bruce French. He's the one specifically employed to bring the improvement.
 
Parkside said:
Butler's handling standing up to the wicket is in need of improvement -not surprising, it's a very specialist skill. Any criticism should be directed towards the W/k coach -currently Bruce French. He's the one specifically employed to bring the improvement.
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Interestingly, Ben Foakes massively credits Bruce French with helping him to kick on and become as good as he is. So maybe he just doesn't have much to work with...
 
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