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When do we start talking about Jos Buttler?

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There has been a overreaction on this board regarding his keeping, of course he had a really poor game in the first test, however most of his test career his keeping has been fine, not brilliant and it’s fair to say Foakes is a better keeper.

But some of statements have been ridiculous with one poster calling his keeping a disgrace which is complete nonsense.

Buttler is fine cricketer who plays shots all around the wicket, has the adaptability to read the game situation very well and adapt his game accordingly, we all know his brilliant attacking play, but is last few knocks have come when the team were bang in trouble, when both the team and him personally have been under pressure, he has in this situation batted in a diffrent way dug in and helped the team to a great position.

He can be an asset to this team going forward.
 

Canny player this lad!
rentaghost said:
let them take the piss mate. They know of only one stumping chance that he has missed that any other keeper could possibly have taken. Your point is valid he has almostcertainly faced less overs of spin proportionally than any other keeper and if you don’t get the chances you can hardly take them. Don’t let the biased, piss taking bastards grind you down ;) Also if he wins this test like he won the last and they start the we love Jos’ stuff tell them to fuck off:lol:
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I won’t mate, as not my style, no matter how tempted I may be:D
 
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Twisted said:
it was the cricket hiding not us!


glad you picked up on the sarcasm or i might have looked stupid ;)
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Too subtle ;)
Ben Foakes 88 not out so far for Surrey. Cracking cricketer that lad and good for England if he can get his batting form of 2 years ago back.
 
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Steak Pie said:
Interesting snippet from the debate that Buttler himself thought he was performing so poorly, he was going to be dropped after South Africa.

Does that mean Jos has an agenda against Jos?
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Good job the selectors had the foresight and belief in him then.

Don’t think anyone has ever had a agenda against him, just a difference of opinion in his capabilities.
 
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I'll stick my opinion on here as well

Buttler himself knows he was probably about to be dropped for Foakes. He's said as much in interviews.

He's performed excellently since then and deserves to now keep his place in India or Sri Lanka, whatever comes first if we are able to go.

Massive test for him seeing as in 26 tests as keeper he's never kept in Asia. The closest to that is he kept in 2 tests in Abu Dhabi and Dubai in 2015.

He has however kept 30 times for England in India and Sri Lanka in the two other formats. Plus was the keeper ahead of Indian keepers in some of his time in the IPL ahead of Sanju Samson I believe.

Lets hope his white ball keeping in India as least gives him so idea of how he can deal with it.

I hope Jos excels and keeps his place. Like all of us should when an England player steps out onto the field.
 
mackembhoy said:
I'll stick my opinion on here as well

Buttler himself knows he was probably about to be dropped for Foakes. He's said as much in interviews.

He's performed excellently since then and deserves to now keep his place in India or Sri Lanka, whatever comes first if we are able to go.

Massive test for him seeing as in 26 tests as keeper he's never kept in Asia. The closest to that is he kept in 2 tests in Abu Dhabi and Dubai in 2015.

He has however kept 30 times for England in India and Sri Lanka in the two other formats. Plus was the keeper ahead of Indian keepers in some of his time in the IPL ahead of Sanju Samson I believe.

Lets hope his white ball keeping in India as least gives him so idea of how he can deal with it.

I hope Jos excels and keeps his place. Like all of us should when an England player steps out onto the field.
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Can’t disagree with a single word
 
Foakes, who has finally been allowed to play cricket, scored a ton. But I thought according to Johnson and a few others in this thread, he's absolutely shit with the bat, doesn't know which end to hold and should be a number 11, that's why Buttler has to play? 🤔
 
mackembhoy said:
I'll stick my opinion on here as well

Buttler himself knows he was probably about to be dropped for Foakes. He's said as much in interviews.

He's performed excellently since then and deserves to now keep his place in India or Sri Lanka, whatever comes first if we are able to go.

Massive test for him seeing as in 26 tests as keeper he's never kept in Asia. The closest to that is he kept in 2 tests in Abu Dhabi and Dubai in 2015.

He has however kept 30 times for England in India and Sri Lanka in the two other formats. Plus was the keeper ahead of Indian keepers in some of his time in the IPL ahead of Sanju Samson I believe.

Lets hope his white ball keeping in India as least gives him so idea of how he can deal with it.

I hope Jos excels and keeps his place. Like all of us should when an England player steps out onto the field.
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Good post and I agree with that. It is right that his place should have been a point of debate until recently but the 'take the piss' type criticism on here as if Jos was a comical joke type figure from the like of Steak, Chunky, The Rey, Breen Machine was always wrong and out of order IMO ( i don't really count the Travelling guy in this as he doesn't really have the same level of cricket understanding as the others). Anyway regarding the future he has plenty of experience in India albeit in the shorter format and his much improved batting form will see him play and rightly so. I think It wont even be a point of debate amongst people outside of message boards. Comparing with players from the past doesn't really count for much as selection can only be made against current competition but some people do see past players through rose tinted glasses.

Alec Stewart is looked back on as a great. Reading Alec Stewart's book where he talks about going through a desperate period with the gloves where commentators such as Ian Botham were suggesting 'his eyes have gone.' Stewart would have been panned on this board back then and his average while keeping wicket was 34 broadly the same as Buttlers. After that criticism Stewart had his best period as a gloveman.

Prior started his test career disastrously with the gloves with some truly embarrassing performances. Dropping the most straightforward of catches and he is listed 3 times in the top 25 from most byes conceded in test history. If his batting wasn't so excellent in his initial period he wouldnt have lasted. His career for England can be split into two halves - an initially hopeless keeper with a brilliant batting average and then for his last 3 years a very improved and good keeper with a more moderate average (33 in his last 3 years but an excellent 40 overall). It should be added though he was playing for a great England side and had much more opportunity of batting at 300/5 with a KP/Bell or Cook than Buttler has.

I'm looking forward to him playing in the winter and don't have the same worries that some others do.
 
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rentaghost said:
Good post and I agree with that. It is right that his place should have been a point of debate until recently but the 'take the piss' type criticism on here as if Jos was a comical joke type figure from the like of Steak, Chunky, The Rey, Breen Machine was always wrong and out of order IMO ( i don't really count the Travelling guy in this as he doesn't really have the same level of cricket understanding as the others). Anyway regarding the future he has plenty of experience in India albeit in the shorter format and his much improved batting form will see him play and rightly so. I think It wont even be a point of debate amongst people outside of message boards. Comparing with players from the past doesn't really count for much as selection can only be made against current competition but some people do see past players through rose tinted glasses.

Alec Stewart is looked back on as a great. Reading Alec Stewart's book where he talks about going through a desperate period with the gloves where commentators such as Ian Botham were suggesting 'his eyes have gone.' Stewart would have been panned on this board back then and his average while keeping wicket was 34 broadly the same as Buttlers. After that criticism Stewart had his best period as a gloveman.

Prior started his test career disastrously with the gloves with some truly embarrassing performances. Dropping the most straightforward of catches and he is listed 3 times in the top 25 from most byes conceded in test history. If his batting wasn't so excellent in his initial period he wouldnt have lasted. His career for England can be split into two halves - an initially hopeless keeper with a brilliant batting average and then for his last 3 years a very improved and good keeper with a more moderate average (33 in his last 3 years). It should be added though he was playing for a great England side and had much more opportunity of batting at 300/5 with a KP/Bell or Cook than Buttler has.

I'm looking forward to him playing in the winter and don't have the same worries that some others do.
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I don't think the criticism he got was out of order at all. He had been in very poor form in Test cricket since the India series in 2018, and was starting to cost more runs than he was scoring. His place was under scrutiny, he himself admitted that.

And I think a lot of the "comical" comments were more aimed at the likes of Johnson and latterly that Salem geezer, who bizarrely seem to take any criticism of Buttler - however valid - as a personal affront. I honestly think Salem cries to his mother every time Jos gets any mild criticism!

That said, he has performed admirably in this series, and has earned the right to keep his place. I have my serious doubts about how he'll fare in the subcontinent, but he's just about earned the right to play down there.
 
rentaghost said:
Good post and I agree with that. It is right that his place should have been a point of debate until recently but the 'take the piss' type criticism on here as if Jos was a comical joke type figure from the like of Steak, Chunky, The Rey, Breen Machine was always wrong and out of order IMO ( i don't really count the Travelling guy in this as he doesn't really have the same level of cricket understanding as the others). Anyway regarding the future he has plenty of experience in India albeit in the shorter format and his much improved batting form will see him play and rightly so. I think It wont even be a point of debate amongst people outside of message boards. Comparing with players from the past doesn't really count for much as selection can only be made against current competition but some people do see past players through rose tinted glasses.

Alec Stewart is looked back on as a great. Reading Alec Stewart's book where he talks about going through a desperate period with the gloves where commentators such as Ian Botham were suggesting 'his eyes have gone.' Stewart would have been panned on this board back then and his average while keeping wicket was 34 broadly the same as Buttlers. After that criticism Stewart had his best period as a gloveman.

Prior started his test career disastrously with the gloves with some truly embarrassing performances. Dropping the most straightforward of catches and he is listed 3 times in the top 25 from most byes conceded in test history. If his batting wasn't so excellent in his initial period he wouldnt have lasted. His career for England can be split into two halves - an initially hopeless keeper with a brilliant batting average and then for his last 3 years a very improved and good keeper with a more moderate average (33 in his last 3 years but an excellent 40 overall). It should be added though he was playing for a great England side and had much more opportunity of batting at 300/5 with a KP/Bell or Cook than Buttler has.

I'm looking forward to him playing in the winter and don't have the same worries that some others do.
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My initial criticism is that he was picked as a batsman only. Without playing any first class cricket, and having a pretty mediocre first class record

I actually said that I didn’t mind him or Bairstow at 7, with the gloves, and I stand by that. What I didn’t agree with was playing them both.

they then both had really poor runs with the bat. And I think Buttler in particular has been lucky to be stuck by. He’s done brilliantly in recent weeks, and long may it continue

(some of my tone has always been taking the piss out of the cricket board radgee)
 
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