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[3rd Test] England v Pakistan (Rose Bowl)

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Steak Pie said:
Eventually get some time to watch and it's a rainfest.....



All four of those keepers were quite a bit better with the gloves than Jos mind, and they all improved over time. Buttler is turns 30 next week and in his career has lost the gloves at two counties, and doesn't seem to have improved his glovework at all in that time. Maybe it's a confidence thing and now that he's secure in the squad for the forseeable, he might knuckle down and sort it out. We'll see.
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I would agree that they improved over time but Prior was worse when he first started. His keeping in his early tests was abysmal. His drops against WI at home were far worse than any error by Buttler in test match cricket. Prior then went on to break the world record for byes in the tour of the WI. I would agree that they did improve over time though. Buttler losing his place in the counties is also factual but as much to do with his involvement in all forms of international cricket meaning counties needed a regular keeper.

Also I don't think Buttler will improve massively as a keeper in the future - but I don't think hes that bad anyway. His selection is what it is - a moderate keeper a a hugely talented batsman. He started competently with the gloves in test matches and dropped his standards a bit in SA and had that one horrible test which he redeemed himself with the bat - which is the purpose of his selection.
 

rentaghost said:
I would agree that they improved over time but Prior was worse when he first started. His keeping in his early tests was abysmal. His drops against WI at home were far worse than any error by Buttler in test match cricket. Prior then went on to break the world record for byes in the tour of the WI. I would agree that they did improve over time though. Buttler losing his place in the counties is also factual but as much to do with his involvement in all forms of international cricket meaning counties needed a regular keeper.

Also I don't think Buttler will improve massively as a keeper in the future - but I don't think hes that bad anyway. His selection is what it is - a moderate keeper a a hugely talented batsman. He started competently with the gloves in test matches and dropped his standards a bit in SA and had that one horrible test which he redeemed himself with the bat - which is the purpose of his selection.
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matt prior however was substantially better with the bat. it's not even close
 
rentaghost said:
I would agree that they improved over time but Prior was worse when he first started. His keeping in his early tests was abysmal. His drops against WI at home were far worse than any error by Buttler in test match cricket. Prior then went on to break the world record for byes in the tour of the WI. I would agree that they did improve over time though. Buttler losing his place in the counties is also factual but as much to do with his involvement in all forms of international cricket meaning counties needed a regular keeper.

Also I don't think Buttler will improve massively as a keeper in the future - but I don't think hes that bad anyway. His selection is what it is - a moderate keeper a a hugely talented batsman. He started competently with the gloves in test matches and dropped his standards a bit in SA and had that one horrible test which he redeemed himself with the bat - which is the purpose of his selection.
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Agreed with all that. I would say however this talk about his keeping has been very much overstated as his form with the bat has improved. In the same way Foakes’ ability has been overstated. He is better than moderate, you don’t take the stumping to win the WC or the catches yesterday if you are moderate imo.
 
rentaghost said:
I would agree that they improved over time but Prior was worse when he first started. His keeping in his early tests was abysmal. His drops against WI at home were far worse than any error by Buttler in test match cricket. Prior then went on to break the world record for byes in the tour of the WI. I would agree that they did improve over time though. Buttler losing his place in the counties is also factual but as much to do with his involvement in all forms of international cricket meaning counties needed a regular keeper.

Also I don't think Buttler will improve massively as a keeper in the future - but I don't think hes that bad anyway. His selection is what it is - a moderate keeper a a hugely talented batsman. He started competently with the gloves in test matches and dropped his standards a bit in SA and had that one horrible test which he redeemed himself with the bat - which is the purpose of his selection.
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He never managed to oust Kieswetter, even when Kieswetter was ahead of him in the England team. Then Alex Davies was picked ahead of him everytime at Lancs in 2016 and 2017, when Buttler was out of the Test side.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Prior averaged a lot more than Buttler did, and made a lot less mistakes than he does as well. If Buttler averaged 60 with the bat fair enough, but he’s just made his second hundred in 50 odd tests, having spent the ashes batting like a child at the crease. One good knock against a Pakistan team that have been beaten before the game started won’t change that.

And how did his keeping help us win the first test? He wouldn’t have even been out to bat in the second innings if he didn’t drop Mahood on 30/40 or whatever it was and cost us 120 runs. Not to mention the other drops.
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One knock!!! have you forgotten how he won the test along with Woakes or the fact he had scored the most runs in the team all summer.

Coming in each time with the team in trouble
 
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