Boycott the 17 clubs

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Botchie said:
I bet Saracens thought that too.
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Have a good read through the mammoth report into the Sarries affair and you get a wonderful understanding of why salary caps are horrific. Biggest issue for Sarries was that their youth development was so prolific that they were left with 2 choices - break the salary cap or allow the players they’d spent years investing in move to other clubs that could pay them more....for free. Imagine spending 10 years each on the development of Farrell, Itoje, Billy & Mako, Jamie George, Kruis and others, then just before they hit their peak you are told that although you can afford to pay them the going rate, you aren’t allowed to and have to give them away to your rivals. Total farce!
 
Kent Boy 2 said:
Have a good read through the mammoth report into the Sarries affair and you get a wonderful understanding of why salary caps are horrific. Biggest issue for Sarries was that their youth development was so prolific that they were left with 2 choices - break the salary cap or allow the players they’d spent years investing in move to other clubs that could pay them more....for free. Imagine spending 10 years each on the development of Farrell, Itoje, Billy & Mako, Jamie George, Kruis and others, then just before they hit their peak you are told that although you can afford to pay them the going rate, you aren’t allowed to and have to give them away to your rivals. Total farce!
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In any sport you will have the "haves" and "have nots", Football, Rugby, F1 are just a few high profile examples. I'm all for limiting squad sizes to prevent stockpiling, but to say I cant buy an ice cream because it will make James feel bad - that's not my problem.
 
Still think the PFA have a decent legal case in that the EFL are now stopping players from making decent money if their employer is able to afford a wage higher than the cap. And importantly the club is within FFP guidelines.
EFL are an absolute shambles of an organisation.
 
Roker Scoreboard said:
Still think the PFA have a decent legal case in that the EFL are now stopping players from making decent money if their employer is able to afford a wage higher than the cap. And importantly the club is within FFP guidelines.
EFL are an absolute shambles of an organisation.
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This. The best way to stop clubs from over spending is to dock them points if they spend more than their income. The best way to create a level competition is to limit clubs to a certain spend. The clubs have voted to do the second thing but are claiming it delivers the first. The clubs with larger incomes and the players have the right to sue the EFL on a number of things, not least constraint of trade.

On the other hand, if I was a footballer and I was given the choice between joining a club who were fighting to pay me my true value or a club who were voting to limit my earnings then I know which one I’d go with. I really don’t think the other clubs have thought this through properly at all.
 
To be fair I can’t see what the problem is, clubs should be living within their means anyway, these rules have been in place years haven’t they.
 
RascaI said:
To be fair I can’t see what the problem is, clubs should be living within their means anyway, these rules have been in place years haven’t they.
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Because this cap means we can only spend about 25-30% of what we bring in on gate revenue alone, whereas it means Accrington can still spend more than they bring in. How is that about sustainability? It isn't.

What was in place before was a percentage of total turnover cap, which was more fair, but it just needed enforcing better.
 
Bears Beets said:
Says a supporter of a team in the league above without a salary cap
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We have got a salary cap, we only spend what we generate, we’ve been doing it years, as all clubs should have been, it’s the reason we hardly spend anything on transfer fees, to allow us to spend on wages. We’ve been gearing up for this for the past 5 years.
scott934 said:
Because this cap means we can only spend about 25-30% of what we bring in on gate revenue alone, whereas it means Accrington can still spend more than they bring in. How is that about sustainability? It isn't.

What was in place before was a percentage of total turnover cap, which was more fair, but it just needed enforcing better.
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Arr so it’s an across the board cap, and not revenue related cap, I see the problem now. Stinks to be fair.
 
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ir35 said:
I agree, but a cap of 50 per cent of your own actual income is an obvious way to implement some common sense. The EFL is becoming a parody.
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Sunderland’s wage bill reputed to be £14 million and Swindon’s £1.8 million.
Playing the loan market is where Sunderland have never had to exploit but most clubs at these levels have done so to compete. Can definitely see why the “big” clubs have an issue with this but you can’t ignore the incompetence of previous dealings in the transfer markets and respective performances from both players, managers and owners.
Sunderland will continue to challenge and without doubt have the infrastructure to sustain Premiership Football. Create the positive environment at Sunderland most players would still choose to play at yours compared to say Swindon or Rochdale.
Survival right now is of paramount importance. You have never really had to worry about this and why should you. Clubs like mine though have been run through decades of let’s say “interesting” owners but as a Supporter we only have two choices, go or don’t go. I have never stopped and have questioned my sanity most seasons. Even the last season was curtailed by external factors and we were almost certainly denied a rare promotion, or title winning weekend which is typical supporting this basket case of a football club.
The day Wellens leaves the building and he will, it will be a typical day when you say, “here we go again” or the skeletons come out of the closet and they will, on club ownership and investment issues. Unfortunately it’s business as usual.
I guess and fully understand it’s all about expectations. For the loyal Supporters like us who follow Tin Pot clubs in a Tin Pot Division I can absolutely assure you are dreams are no different but we remain grounded and realistic because we simply have to.
Sunderland certainly don’t belong in League One and I sincerely hope you get back to where you belong, it’s only a matter of time.
scott934 said:
Because this cap means we can only spend about 25-30% of what we bring in on gate revenue alone, whereas it means Accrington can still spend more than they bring in. How is that about sustainability? It isn't.

What was in place before was a percentage of total turnover cap, which was more fair, but it just needed enforcing better.
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But Accrington won't spend more than they can bring in.
They won Division Two on an annual budget of £900k. Andy Holt / The club are not blessed with money and this is a great example of a club that even with the salary cap will be nowhere near the max, or will clubs like Swindon.
We have been running at break even for a fair few seasons. We simply haven’t got a pot to piss in.
 
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Swindon On Tour said:
Sunderland’s wage bill reputed to be £14 million and Swindon’s £1.8 million.
Playing the loan market is where Sunderland have never had to exploit but most clubs at these levels have done so to compete. Can definitely see why the “big” clubs have an issue with this but you can’t ignore the incompetence of previous dealings in the transfer markets and respective performances from both players, managers and owners.
Sunderland will continue to challenge and without doubt have the infrastructure to sustain Premiership Football. Create the positive environment at Sunderland most players would still choose to play at yours compared to say Swindon or Rochdale.
Survival right now is of paramount importance. You have never really had to worry about this and why should you. Clubs like mine though have been run through decades of let’s say “interesting” owners but as a Supporter we only have two choices, go or don’t go. I have never stopped and have questioned my sanity most seasons. Even the last season was curtailed by external factors and we were almost certainly denied a rare promotion, or title winning weekend which is typical supporting this basket case of a football club.
The day Wellens leaves the building and he will, it will be a typical day when you say, “here we go again” or the skeletons come out of the closet and they will, on club ownership and investment issues. Unfortunately it’s business as usual.
I guess and fully understand it’s all about expectations. For the loyal Supporters like us who follow Tin Pot clubs in a Tin Pot Division I can absolutely assure you are dreams are no different but we remain grounded and realistic because we simply have to.
Sunderland certainly don’t belong in League One and I sincerely hope you get back to where you belong, it’s only a matter of time.
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Loaning in players is killing football clubs, you’ll never amount to anything doing so, you have no assets, and loanees get in the way of developing your own players, we’ve fell into this trap ourselves in the past, but thankfully now it is a thing of the past.
Buying players, developing them into better players and selling them, is the only way forward for clubs like ours.
 
RascaI said:
Loaning in players is killing football clubs, you’ll never amount to anything doing so, you have no assets, and loanees get in the way of developing your own players, we’ve fell into this trap ourselves in the past, but thankfully now it is a thing of the past.
Buying players, developing them into better players and selling them, is the only way forward for clubs like ours.
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and ours, unfortunately the current owners have completely fucked over our academy
 
RascaI said:
Loaning in players is killing football clubs, you’ll never amount to anything doing so, you have no assets, and loanees get in the way of developing your own players, we’ve fell into this trap ourselves in the past, but thankfully now it is a thing of the past.
Buying players, developing them into better players and selling them, is the only way forward for clubs like ours.
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Can’t disagree. Equally loaning players in then signing them as they get regular game time benefits everyone. It’s about the right blend.
Have to say Swindon haven’t released a real Young home grown gem in years.
Our academy gets raided before we see them in the first team, mind you we put substantial sell on clauses on the asset.
Derby have one sensation of ours that could land us a few million and he is being linked to some big clubs. One lad is showing decent progression in pre season and I can see him breaking into a few first team games soon. But these are kids and their bodies still need developing.
 
citybythesea said:
Should boycott the away days on the principle that people give ticket revenue to our competitors!
SAFC get very little for selling out an away end (other than the support), clubs who don't reciprocate the same amount of tickets for the return fixture at the SOL!
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This. I know thousands of supporters love an away day and I know why. But it shouldn’t be forgotten that these clubs they’ll be giving money to are the same ones that just shafted us. We would be paying them for the privilege.
 
Gaz said:
and ours, unfortunately the current owners have completely fucked over our academy
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In the last 5 years we’ve, sold central defenders, Marc Roberts, Angus MacDonald, and Ethan Pinnock for a combined total somewhere around the £7M mark, we bought all 3 from non league clubs, developed them into better players sold them and reinvested, had we still been loaning in players on mass, that’s £7M we wouldn’t have had.
 
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