Pubs in Silksworth and Surrounding Shut?

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the boot said:
Like I say though which was my point at the beginning. The pubs need not have shut.
there’s a high chance that infected people go in pubs all the time without knowing it, so the measures in place protect us against this.
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I understand what you're saying, but if I was the owner I would close for a few days and get it cleaned. Especially in the case of the Fleece. They only took over two weeks before everything had to close. The previous owners had been there 19 years and had built the pub and its reputation back up. If I was the new owners I'd sacrifice a few more days takings to show the locals l was serious about the place. The majority of people probably wouldn't share your view marra, so if it was my pub I would go with what my customers would want. They've put a lot of graft in over the lockdown and no doubt a few bob too. The place was looking in good shape over the last few weeks and has the potential to take off when we get eventually get back to normal.
 


Botchie said:
I understand what you're saying, but if I was the owner I would close for a few days and get it cleaned. Especially in the case of the Fleece. They only took over two weeks before everything had to close. The previous owners had been there 19 years and had built the pub and its reputation back up. If I was the new owners I'd sacrifice a few more days takings to show the locals l was serious about the place. The majority of people probably wouldn't share your view marra, so if it was my pub I would go with what my customers would want. They've put a lot of graft in over the lockdown and no doubt a few bob too. The place was looking in good shape over the last few weeks and has the potential to take off when we get eventually get back to normal.
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I’d rather them say ‘yes there was a case of Covid but as a responsible owner I ensure that all distancing rules and procedures are met and policed properly therefore ensuring the public are safe in my establishment’
Because in a way it’s admitting that the procedures in place are not good enough to protect us. Unless they know that no one else as had the virus in there before which we know is impossible.
 
the boot said:
I’d rather them say ‘yes there was a case of Covid but as a responsible owner I ensure that all distancing rules and procedures are met and policed properly therefore ensuring the public are safe in my establishment’
Because in a way it’s admitting that the procedures in place are not good enough to protect us. Unless they know that no one else as had the virus in there before which we know is impossible.
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That's my argument when people say "why can't I go into someone's house, but can go to the pub". It's because the pubs should be sticking to the guidance. That's also why I don't think you're wrong in what you're saying. Unfortunately people in the local community won't look at it like that and it could do more long term damage to the pub by not looking like you've done something about it.
 
the boot said:
Like I say though which was my point at the beginning. The pubs need not have shut.
there’s a high chance that infected people go in pubs all the time without knowing it, so the measures in place protect us against this.
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Presumably the staff will have to isolate and be tested, so how do they stay open without staff?
 
YES WE GYAN said:
Presumably the staff will have to isolate and be tested, so how do they stay open without staff?
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Most pubs have staff working shifts, so I'm assuming not all staff will have been working. You're right though. As an employer you're legally and morally required to make sure your staff are safe and healthy at all times while at work.
 
the boot said:
Because if they have followed the rules there will be no need to isolate.
It’s simple.
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They're showing due consideration to their staff and customers. It's not hard to understand, really.
 
Lexingtongue said:
They're showing due consideration to their staff and customers. It's not hard to understand, really.
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That’s fair enough. But what about the people who have been in with the virus who don’t know they have it?
This is what is muddying the waters in my opinion, the rules of isolation are clearly stated on both nhs and government websites.
 
the boot said:
Like I say though which was my point at the beginning. The pubs need not have shut.
there’s a high chance that infected people go in pubs all the time without knowing it, so the measures in place protect us against this.
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I’d have thought there’s an argument to be had saying they shouldn’t reopen until the staff have been tested and cleared at the least. How this affects all the customers that were in the pubs when the lad was in them is another quandary, do they now stay in until tested and cleared.
The circle covid can effect can expand rapidly, that’s why it’s essential people take the safe option rather than thinking meh we will be ok
 
Mind if, and I'm saying if, nobody who was drinking there at the same time has been contacted by track and trace, it shows how flawed the system is.
 
Botchie said:
Mind if, and I'm saying if, nobody who was drinking there at the same time has been contacted by track and trace, it shows how flawed the system is.
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I’d imagine the pubs have handed names and phone numbers over to the authorities so no doubt see how effective the track and trace is.
One thing it does show is the effect even one silly fucker can have on businesses, workers and customers by not taking the right decisions with the virus.
Imagine two or 3 people doing similar on shifts at Nissan and making them shutdown for periods of time and the knock on effect
 
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Boz33 said:
I’d imagine the pubs have handed names and phone numbers over to the authorities so no doubt see how effective the track and trace is.
One thing it does show is the effect even one silly fucker can have on businesses, workers and customers by not taking the right decisions with the virus.
Imagine two or 3 people doing similar on shifts at Nissan and making them shutdown for periods of time and the knock on effect
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Yip. Hypothetically if there was 100 people in the pub on Friday night that all went home and spent all weekend with people in their house, you would think they all need testing? Also that could potentially be a lot of people unable to go into work tomorrow as they're waiting for a result.
 
Fleece reopening today at 2pm. There's an update on their Facebook. I'm not on there so can't link, but explains what happened.
 
jacko_551 said:
Rang 119 and they have told us we do not have to isolate unless we were within 2 metres of him for 15 minutes or more.
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I guess this is the benefit of social distancing within pubs and the recommendation to wash hands regularly - assuming those points were observed, it significantly reduces (but does not remove) the risk of the infected lad passing it on to others who were in the pub at the same time.
IF social distancing and regular hand washing were not being observed, the risk of transmission does of course increase.
 
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