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Tin hat on. I think it can be selfish of some people to expect someone who is suffering massively and not enjoying life to keep going just to keep others happy.
 
Quench said:
An act of pure desperation. I don't think people in this frame of mind think of the impact on others, or if they do, feel that the people close to them will be better off without them around.
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You do think of the impact it will have. I thought about it for two years. Every day. My kids were the only reason I did not do it. It is a horrible place to be in.
 
No matter how bad things get remember you always have the good old smb to rely on.

We are like a family and a team and look out for each other.
 
I wouldn't call it either. I won't go into details but I had issues myself a few years ago. It was mostly irrational, an impulse from the situation and illness I was suffering at the time. I had to fight it away.

There are cultural differences in these viewpoints. Christianity always viewed it as an immoral sin which has influenced the Western view of it as selfish and weak. Until around the 17th century, a suicide was often given a shameful burial, often at night with no mourners and a stake through the body. Ironically enough, a failed suicide attempt was punishable by hanging. In fact, up until 1961 in the UK, it was still a crime that would carry a formal prison sentence. In the far east, especially Japan, suicide has long been seen as a morally responsible act. Defeated samurai would commit harakiri as a noble gesture after defeat or failure. In 2007, a cabinet minister killed himself during an expenses scandal and a governor of Tokyo hailed him as a "true Samurai" in response.

There hasn't been someone in my own lifetime who's lost their life through it but there is a history of it in my family before me, and I know the long term scars it leaves. I cannot judge them for it as I know the immense stress, distorted thinking and layers of contradictions the mind is under in that position.
 
Fred Basset said:
You do think of the impact it will have. I thought about it for two years. Every day. My kids were the only reason I did not do it. It is a horrible place to be in.
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I hope you're through it and never end up back there. The view I put forward was given by someone very close to me who made a few unsuccessful attempts and of course won't be true for everyone. As you say it's a horrible place to be and not something that should be judged in terms of bravery or selfishness
 
rey mysterio said:
My cousin took his own life last year - he was living down under though and the ensuing fall out has my aunty and uncle devastated - the lass he was living with is a bit of a digger and an ex drug addict/alcoholic (so she says) and wants all his money for herself but his daughter and ex over here think they should get it all. It’s getting very bitter and my aunty and uncle are in bits over it.

I told me aunty that she should try and get it and donate the lot to MIND or someone. It’s a hefty sum as well. Money causes nout but grief. I’ve always been at my happiest when I don’t have much (but nee debt as well like)
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If he didn't leave a will it goes to his next of kin. In UK, that is wife (not ex), then child, then parent. The girlfriend has no legal right to money.
 
I'd bet all the money in the world that anyone who actually completes suicide would instantly regret it if they were magically brought back to life.

People don't try to kill themselves because they want to die it's often because they just want the pain they're in to stop, think of a soldier on the battle field screaming in agony and thats probably some way to explaining what it feels like prior to a suicide attempt.
 
It is a selfish act imo but one born from the black pit that one finds oneself in, in that position.

You're just not thinking clearly to the point where the act of suicide becomes a logical one. And you can't get away from it. It can be the first thought on waking up to the last one before you fall asleep at night. It's like a drain where your thoughts turn to that direction at the drop of a hat...

Horrible horrible horrible. Being suicidal is exhausting. Talk to someone. Anyone.

Lewberry pie said:
I'd bet all the money in the world that anyone who actually completes suicide would instantly regret it if they were magically brought back to life.
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I heard an interview once of someone who jumped off the Golden gate Bridge and survived. He said that as soon as he vaulted to barrier and let go he instantly knew he had made the wrong choice, just like the other twenty odd other people who survived the same thing.

Yes. I suppose it would be strange to come out of that dark place and look back at how you were.
 
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Joe Public said:
Friend of mine took his life recently, his funeral is on Friday. Really popular lad, life and soul of the party, been to a few home and away games with him with the jarra branch and a stag do, you would never have thought he had issues. He used to sing “I love my life!” He had a young daughter similar to mine.

I wasn’t a close friend but it has taken my by surprise, someone so full of life can be so tormented inside.
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I suspect we know the same lad then...still cant get my head round it to be honest

my brother in law killed himself not long after the birth of his daughter, parked his car on the hard shoulder and stepped in front of a lorry. ( didnt like him mind but it was still a shock)
 
Lewberry pie said:
I'd bet all the money in the world that anyone who actually completes suicide would instantly regret it if they were magically brought back to life.

People don't try to kill themselves because they want to die it's often because they just want the pain they're in to stop, think of a soldier on the battle field screaming in agony and thats probably some way to explaining what it feels like prior to a suicide attempt.
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I read somewhere years ago that something like 3 out of 4 survivors of bridge jump suicide attempts instantly regretted their decision as soon as they went over. If that’s the case then you can assume only 25% of suicide victims would moan about being magically brought back, the rest would be f***ing elated.

It’s getting worse since all these cuts to mental health services, I could count on one hand the times we got called out to people threatening to jump annually back in the 90’s when I started, the crews at line rescue stations probably get one call every other shift to someone on the wrong side of the railings and at least one a day around Christmas, we had 3 In a few hours a couple of years back and one went through with it and succeeded :(

The tories are a set of f***ing c u n t s and I hope they burn in hell.
 
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