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pavarotti1980 said:
He is British full stop. That is by virtue of his parentage and this is backed up by the passport he has. They dont just hand them out like confetti

Likewise Ben Stokes, Had the majority of his childhood in New Zealand with a Kiwi father. Therefore using your argument he's "not really English" either. Are you comfortable with him representing England and being vice-captain?
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I'm more comfortable with Stokes as he came through English junior systems, Archer hasn't.
 


The Breen Machine said:
I'm more comfortable with Stokes as he came through English junior systems, Archer hasn't.
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Why is the playing age groups such a significant issue?

Does that mean someone who hasnt represented England in U15,16 etc prevent them from playing for England as a senior? i dont think Andrew Strauss (South Africa born) played England U19 cricket? Trott is another.....
 
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pavarotti1980 said:
Why is the playing age groups such a significant issue?

Does that mean someone who hasnt represented England in U15,16 etc prevent them from playing for England as a senior?
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Just not overly comfortable on someone playing for West Indies U19's and then 5 years later being selected in our World Cup squad but we all have differing views on this.
 
The Breen Machine said:
Just not overly comfortable on someone playing for West Indies U19's and then 5 years later being selected in our World Cup squad but we all have differing views on this.
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Was Trott ok though?

U19s cricket is no different 3rd XI club cricket in the eyes of ICC. Its not international and doesnt count
 
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pavarotti1980 said:
Was Trott ok though?

U19s cricket is no different 3rd XI club cricket in the eyes of ICC. Its not international and doesnt count
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No, don't get me wrong I liked Trott but was equally as uncomfortable when he was picked.

The ICC should be putting more value in those games if that's the case, otherwise what's the point in even holding them.
 
The Breen Machine said:
No, don't get me wrong I liked Trott but was equally as uncomfortable when he was picked.

The ICC should be putting more value in those games if that's the case, otherwise what's the point in even holding them.
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Must feel the same about KP then?

If someone has a British parent, its hard to stop really

But as much as I like him, Morgan should never have been allowed to play for England, he is Irish and has no links to the UK

pavarotti1980 said:
Well lets hope they pick an English player then.

Archer all the way for me. What with his English father and British passport.




You absolute muppet
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He isn't English like. That isn't a controversial view, he wouldn't call himself English.
 
This thing is a bit of a minefield.

I must admit I feel uneasy with South Africans playing for England - but then I recall it isn't easy for them in SA at present and there's the potential to get a lot worse. Plus of course many SA's and others are British via a parent.

In the end it all depends on what they think their identity is in their privacy of their own minds and I can't know that.

There's no question that some people have cheated and have taken advantage in all representative sports - in a Zola Budd type way.

And remember some of the non English to play for England were Scots and Welsh and Channel Islanders have played for England football - and that's thought not to be a problem.

If Archer, got good as a sportsman in the Caribbean, came here at age 18+, had a career playing for England but then on retirement returned to the Caribbean to live I think I'd suspect he'd been taking the pi** but so far it sound like that's not the case.
 
Bri said:
This thing is a bit of a minefield.

I must admit I feel uneasy with South Africans playing for England - but then I recall it isn't easy for them in SA at present and there's the potential to get a lot worse. Plus of course many SA's and others are British via a parent.

In the end it all depends on what they think their identity is in their privacy of their own minds and I can't know that.

There's no question that some people have cheated and have taken advantage in all representative sports - in a Zola Budd type way.

And remember some of the non English to play for England were Scots and Welsh and Channel Islanders have played for England football - and that's thought not to be a problem.

If Archer, got good as a sportsman in the Caribbean, came here at age 18+, had a career playing for England but then on retirement returned to the Caribbean to live I think I'd suspect he'd been taking the pi** but so far it sound like that's not the case.
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The only saffer ones I can think of who came here purely for work reasons were Trott and KP

We've had other ones born there but been raised in England
 
The spinner option is a strange one as I assume of they will have Denly to cover an injury and not a loss of form as Rashid and Ali are certs to start every game and I can't assume we would pick 3 spinners in one game especially as Root can turn his arm over.

For me Woakes misses out as he won't start unless Stokes is struggling to bowl and picked as a batsman only.
 
The Rat said:
Must feel the same about KP then?

If someone has a British parent, its hard to stop really

But as much as I like him, Morgan should never have been allowed to play for England, he is Irish and has no links to the UK



He isn't English like. That isn't a controversial view, he wouldn't call himself English.
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Similar views on KP yeah, although probably not so much at the time - it probably seems more common in the last 10 years because we've picked better ones such as KP and Trott, rather than Chris Lewis and Joey Benjamin :lol:

Good post.
 
pavarotti1980 said:
Why is the playing age groups such a significant issue?

Does that mean someone who hasnt represented England in U15,16 etc prevent them from playing for England as a senior? i dont think Andrew Strauss (South Africa born) played England U19 cricket? Trott is another.....
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Strauss and Archer have absolutely no comparison he came here when he was 6

Can't just lump everyone in together

world is a much smaller place like, but not every case is the same

I think if you are in the system and playing under 19 cricket in world cups, its dodgy just changing.

I couldn't believe Rice could change to england in the footy, played in every age group for ireland, for the national side, then switched


The point is not whether they have the right nationality wise etc, its you have to have guidelines in play or it just becomes like a club game with transfers.
 
mackembhoy said:
It's on preliminary wonder who will be turfed out from woakes wood Willey and plunkett.

My money's on wood
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Some journos seem to reckon Plunkett, 34 and his pace has dropped which has meant he isnt as effective in the middle overs anymore.
 
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Some journos seem to reckon Plunkett, 34 and his pace has dropped which has meant he isnt as effective in the middle overs anymore.
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Missed Curran out of my post as well.

Maybe but Plunkett has been a real mainstay in the side. Would say his batting is more favourable than Willey wood and Curran.

Willey only ever good first 10. Curran the newest in, easiest out?
 
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