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Chappers said:
Bloke on sky said he helped both teams win their league and was class.
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He scored 3 goals in Argentina - which is a fairly crap league. He has a 1 in 3 record in 2 seasons in the MLS - to put that in perspective, since 2015 Jozy Altidore has scored 45 in 88 for Toronto, and he managed 2 in 70 in the PL between us and Hull...
 

Bayern Munich signed Canadian international Alphonso Davies from Vancouver last summer (only went through this month) and he's started a game for them already?

They paid close to £12 million for him.

Every transfer is a risk, sure take the amount of PL clubs that have had their pants pulled down by Dutch clubs over the past decade time and time again for inflated prices and a large portion have been flops.

Ilios said:
He scored 3 goals in Argentina - which is a fairly crap league. He has a 1 in 3 record in 2 seasons in the MLS - to put that in perspective, since 2015 Jozy Altidore has scored 45 in 88 for Toronto, and he managed 2 in 70 in the PL between us and Hull...
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He's not a striker why are you comparing him to a striker............
 
IrishMackem88 said:
Bayern Munich signed Canadian international Alphonso Davies from Vancouver last summer (only went through this month) and he's started a game for them already?

They paid close to £12 million for him.
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Alphonso Davies is 18. He's not 25, still playing in the MLS and barely played a game for Paraguay.
 
IrishMackem88 said:
My point is look at the fee, people are ignoring the fact that MLS clubs are now making big money for players.
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Yes, the fee was about 50% of what Newcastle paid. And this is Bayern Munich, buying potential. 12m is a piss in the wind for them. 25m is about 2 seasons worth of transfers for Newcastle, and they aren't buying a wonderkid, they've spent it on a 25 year old from a garbage league, who has 10 caps for Paraguay. It is a little odd, at least?
 
Ilios said:
Yes, the fee was about 50% of what Newcastle paid. And this is Bayern Munich, buying potential. 12m is a piss in the wind for them. 25m is about 2 seasons worth of transfers for Newcastle, and they've spent it on a 25 year old from a garbage league, who has 10 caps for Paraguay. It is a little odd, at least?
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If Almiron can contribute a few goals and assists that keep Newcastle in the PL (which looks likely anyway) he will be seen as a good signing.

Who's to say in a years time bigger clubs won't be looking at him?

99% of posters on here have already dismissed a player they never heard of or seen play :oops::lol:
 
IrishMackem88 said:
No idea why posters are talking about Almiron in the same breath as strikers?

He doesn't play up front, he is a creative midfielder and to be fair is a very tidy player (MLS level or not) and Atlanta played some superb football under Tata last season.

He moved to the MLS and was a DP so was getting huge wages, it's an attractive league for South American players.

Newcastle probably paid over the odds, but sure every other club in England bar Spurs has been doing that time and time again.

I like taking the piss out of the Mags as much as anyone, but when the majority on here never saw the player play before it's a bit silly to dismiss him isn't it?
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I said in another thread probably one of the best player I have seen in the MLS and I have been a season ticket holder for 20 years. Looked very good with Atlanta. Played for Lanus in Argentina when they won the league in 2016. Don't know if he will make it in the Premier as he seems to want a lot of time on the ball which he might not get. Still a good player. He will definitely miss the atmosphere of playing at Atlanta , one of the more raucous crowds in the States.
 
HMB Mackem said:
I said in another thread probably one of the best player I have seen in the MLS and I have been a season ticket holder for 20 years. Looked very good with Atlanta. Played for Lanus in Argentina when they won the league in 2016. Don't know if he will make it in the Premier as he seems to want a lot of time on the ball which he might not get. Still a good player. He will definitely miss the atmosphere of playing at Atlanta , one of the more raucous crowds in the States.
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Tata Martino had Atlanta playing some superb football, no matter what the standard they were fantastic to watch when on song and Almiron was a vital cog in that.

I just don't understand why posters are comparing an out an out number 10 to a striker when mentioning his goal scoring records?

He very may well be a flop when he plays in England, but it's surely worth the risk instead of signing some bog standard midfielder from Watford or Boro who's been passed around from club to club over here for massively inflated fees.
 
IrishMackem88 said:
He very may well be a flop when he plays in England, but it's surely worth the risk instead of signing some bog standard midfielder from Watford or Boro who's been passed around from club to club over here for massively inflated fees.
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Hang on. Are we now suggesting it is better to sign somebody with no experience in a good league, is in their 20s, and has had no international career, than to sign to a proven PL player from top 10 PL Watford?

What do you think is more likely to be a reliably good signing, Will Hughes for 20m from Watford, or 20m on say a 25 year old from the Polish league who has 10 caps for Slovakia...
 
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Remember being excited when we broke our transfer record to sign a player nobody had heard of....went well!!!
 
Ilios said:
Hang on. Are we now suggesting it is better to sign somebody with no experience in a good league, is in their 20s, and has had no international career, than to sign to a proven PL player from top 10 PL Watford?

What do you think is more likely to be a reliably good signing, Will Hughes for 20m from Watford, or say a 25 year old from the Polish league who has 10 caps for Slovakia...
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But you judge Almiron after he's played a consistent run of games? He has impressive stats for a midfielder in his last two seasons in the MLS yet for some reason you keep comparing him to strikers.....

Will Hughes could be completely shite at Newcastle, the same way Almiron could?

Look at Torres at Liverpool and Torres at Chelsea same league but two completely different players when at different clubs.

Almiron has as much chance of success as failure, some on here won't admit that because it fits in with their Anti Mag agenda on everything. Tainted opinions get in the way of logic.
 
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IrishMackem88 said:
But you judge Almiron after he's played a consistent run of games?

Will Hughes could be completely shite at Newcastle, the same way Almiron could?

Look at Torres at Liverpool and Torres at Chelsea.
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He could, but that's not what I said. What I asked was, would you be more likely to be successful buying proven PL players for 20m, than buying obscure players with no international pedigree, (despite his national side being weak) from obscure divisions for 20m. There's a reason why the most successful PL clubs tend to buy from other PL clubs, or from the major European leagues, and they buy players with pedigree or potential. As I said, you don't see many PL teams hoying 25m bids for 25 year olds from Polish league who've got 10 caps for Slovakia. Replace 'Polish league' with MLS and 'Slovakia' with Paraguay, and you see why I think it is a very strange transfer. He has no pedigree, and he's far too old and expensive to be 'one for the future'.

I'm not saying he'll fail, it is just a very odd transfer. As I said earlier, if you looked at his profile - where he's played, his age, his international career etc, it doesn't scream 'PL club record record-shattering transfer', it screams 'tentative loan to Bristol City'.
 
So what happens if they lose games? Will it still be Ashley out? If they go down could it be Benitez’s fault?
 
Ilios said:
He could, but that's not what I said. What I asked was, would you be more likely to be successful buying proven PL players for 20m, than buying obscure players with no international pedigree, (despite his national side being weak) from obscure divisions for 20m. There's a reason why the most successful PL clubs tend to buy from other PL clubs, or from the major European leagues, and they buy players with pedigree or potential. As I said, you don't see many PL teams hoying 25m bids for 25 year olds from Polish league who've got 10 caps for Slovakia. Replace 'Polish league' with MLS and 'Slovakia' with Paraguay, and you see why I think it is a very strange transfer.

I'm not saying he'll fail, it is just a very odd transfer. As I said earlier, if you looked at his profile - where he's played, his age, his international career etc, it doesn't scream 'PL club record record-shattering transfer', it screams 'tentative loan to Bristol City'.
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I know what you said, but you're just assuming just because a player has experience playing in the PL he's likely to be more successful when infact it doesn't prove anything because each individual transfer has as much potential for success as it does for failure. Your argument stands up on "paper" but not in reality i.e. when the player actually steps out onto the pitch and plays.

Which wasn't what we were talking about? We were talking about Newcastle, Watford and Will Hughes?

I have no idea why you're replacing the MLS with the Polish league, the MLS have players on multi million dollar contracts and are signing up really good talent from South America. Almiron was cut from that cloth.

Where are Polish clubs doing this?
 
I have lived in Paraguay for the last 8 years. Local football fans think he is half decent as an attacking midfielder with a bit of guile and pace.

Doesnt get into the national team much as Oscar Romero and Derlis Gonzalez normally get the nod in attacking midfield ahead of him and Richard Ortiz and Topo Caceres more deep lying. When played, it was often on the left wing, he is considered a squad player at best, no way an important player for the seleccion.

The guys in my office couldnt believe he went to the Premier League for that kind of money.

Balbuena at West Ham seems to be doing alright but I will be suprised if Almiron adjusts effectively.
 
Latin Scout said:
I have lived in Paraguay for the last 8 years. Local football fans think he is half decent as an attacking midfielder with a bit of guile and pace.

Doesnt get into the national team much as Oscar Romero and Derlis Gonzalez normally get the nod in attacking midfield ahead of him and Richard Ortiz and Topo Caceres more deep lying. When played, it was often on the left wing, he is considered a squad player at best, no way an important player for the seleccion.

The guys in my office couldnt believe he went to the Premier League for that kind of money.

Balbuena at West Ham seems to be doing alright but I will be suprised if Almiron adjusts effectively.
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Paraguay aren't your sterotypical South American national team with attacking flair or guile, I always found Paraguay to be more of a workman like team known for its battling qualities and hard work in comparison to other South American sides. Not exactly a side ideal for attacking players?

As said Newcastle probably did spend over the odds on him, but it will be interesting to see how he fairs out.
 
IrishMackem88 said:
I know what you said, but you're just assuming just because a player has experience playing in the PL he's likely to be more successful when infact it doesn't prove anything because each individual transfer has as much potential for success as it does for failure. Your argument stands up on "paper" but not in reality i.e. when the player actually steps out onto the pitch and plays.

Which wasn't what we were talking about? We were talking about Newcastle, Watford and Will Hughes?

I have no idea why you're replacing the MLS with the Polish league, the MLS have players on multi million dollar contracts and are signing up really good talent from South America. Almiron was cut from that cloth.

Where are Polish clubs doing this?
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Alright then, the Swiss League - they have teams in the CL and have sold good young players to the PL recently. Lets call it a 25 year old from the Swiss league who can't get a game for Peru. Should Watford sign him for 25m, or was Will Hughes a safer bet? Or Roberto Pereyra? Or Etienne Capoue? Or Abdoulaye Doucoure? All cost less than Almiron, and most of them younger. What do they all have in common - they came from better sides in better leagues, and some of them had played international football for decent sides.

How many 25 year olds with no international pedigree have left the MLS to play in big European leagues, and been successful? Players tend to go from Europe to the MLS, usually when they're 40. You don't get many top Europeans in the peak signing for the Baltimore Badgers, and you don't get many 10-cap, 25 year old Paraguayans leaving the Baltimore Badgers to go to La Liga or the PL for 25m.
 
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