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Now Adil Rashid has packed in red ball cricket, this just shows England's misuse of spinners.

I know some don't rate him but he takes wickets. Especially on a fourth or fifth day pitch with damage on the wicket.
 
smoker said:
He averages 31 at a SR of 55 in test cricket. He's no Gilchrist in that format
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He might succeed or he might fail but I bet you any money you like he wont be batting with a strike rate of 55 this time around. His past record isn't dreadful but its neither here nor there - people know he has underachieved and there's a lack of confidence in suitable alternatives who aren't really pulling up any trees in county cricket which is why he is back in. Smith wants him to smash it about - i'm excited to see how it goes, he certainly wont be piss farting around.
 
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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Agree. Is a message to the likes of Clarke, Gubbins, Jennings, Curran, Vince, Pope etc. - don't worry about the country game, we don't value it.

Curran is unlucky too - may have escaped people's notice but he just took a ten wickets against a decent Yorkshire batting side and forced a result. I haven't been convinced by him at all, but he's done a damn sight more than Woakes to get in the squad in that number eight, fourth seamer role. Maybe we will back Wood and go for all-out pace, that's a debate - but the decision should be based on pitch and be Wood versus Curran, not Woakes. He's done nothing.

They've said Root to three, which I have reservations about. Bairstow will be pissed off too - wanted to keep the gloves. Butller, it's a punt. Bess has been bowling dross - they should have gone with Virdi - what's to lose?

Stoneman is a very lucky boy. I think he should have been axed and someone like Gubbins brought in, if only to encourage country batsman. Well, also because he's a better bet - Stoneman has made little impression on some belting Oval pitches. Ok, you want Division One runs - well go with Jennings then.

I think Joe Clarke is very unlucky, but I guess he's next cab of the rank in the middle order. Buttler should be made aware that there are some very good young keeper batsman - Foakes, Pope, too.



Tidied there for you.
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That was the younger Sam, Tom's in India carrying drinks
 
The Rat said:
He would play in the IPL for the same money he is getting paid for Lancashire, absolutely, why wouldn;t you, what a life experience for you.
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That's not what I said at all, so quite why you've totally ignored what I did say - and used some random reference to Lancashire is absolutely anyone's guess.
 
The Rat said:
I still think the key point that people are missing is that Bairstow is going to 5 and Root to 3, that was made my Smith the selector

You then have a free spot at number 7

You either pick an allrounder like Ali, a traditional batsman, or a talent like Buttler

I think its a fair enough call like

People listing middle order players are missing the point, IMO anyway



And you wouldn't play Livingstone at 7 would you., and you wouldn't for Joe Clarke, James Vince, or whoever. Just like you wouldn't play Jos Buttler at 3 or 4
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Malan is at 3 isn't he?
 
The Rat said:
I'm not convinced Foakes would regularly score more runs than Buttler mind

He only gets in if he gets the gloves, which he isn't, and Bairstow out-kept him at Surrey this week according to all the journos that are there.
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Why? We've played with two wicket keepers in the side numerous times - why is the caveat attached to Foakes regarding the gauntlets but not Buttler?
 
Steak Pie said:
Jennings, Livingstone, Alex Davies.
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no thanks

Comeback_Kenwyne said:
You'll love me for this, but Bairstow is clearly a better batsman than Stokes.

Don't believe me: find a single format or level of the game where Stokes averages more than Bairstow.

Clue: there isn't one.
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What has this got to do with anything we are taking about?

scotch said:
Foakes. Jennings. Livingstone .gubbins. Clarke and even Vince just be disappointed to miss out to a bloke who's played about 5 first class matches in 18 months or something like that
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None of those players could play at 7 bar foakes if he is keeping, which he wouldn't be

why are people missing this point?

we have picked a number7 , not an opener or a 4 or 5
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Nope. They've made it quite clear Root will be batting three.
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Aye ya right.

TMS blunder, tweeted Malan at 3, then have had to correct the statement.

Good, as it genuinely has been an issue, Root despite being happier at 4. I don't think was helping the team in the best way, I think we have a lot of middle order players waiting in the wings.

But top 3 is a big issue and Root is our best player regardless of a 3,4 or 5, you strengthen where we are weakest.
 
smoker said:
I am a big fan of Buttler but this is an odd decision.

I could understand it if he or Foakes been brought in to keep, moving Bairstow up the order, but he's been brought in as a specialist batsman!

"England are really missing a number seven specialist batsman who can throw the bat" said no-one ever.



He's been wank in test cricket since NZ exposed his weakness outside off stump. Why ruin his confidence having this exposed when he's such a potent white ball player?
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the last point is a decent point, but I don't think it will impact him

it might not work but I don't see it as a huge gamble like, I mean he is batting 7, I reckon he will be fine

If not, then Bairstow moves back down and we pick a middle order player, I think its bold and worth a try

stephen cartwright said:
Now Adil Rashid has packed in red ball cricket, this just shows England's misuse of spinners.

I know some don't rate him but he takes wickets. Especially on a fourth or fifth day pitch with damage on the wicket.
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Dont agree, Rashid has played lots, his decision to quit, can't blame England for thar

very questionable character that lad, don't think he is remotely tough enough for test cricket IMO

brandon said:
That's not what I said at all, so quite why you've totally ignored what I did say - and used some random reference to Lancashire is absolutely anyone's guess.
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i haven;t

you said he is in the IPL for the money

he isn't at all, simply not true

brandon said:
Why? We've played with two wicket keepers in the side numerous times - why is the caveat attached to Foakes regarding the gauntlets but not Buttler?
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Because I think at 7 I'd much rather have Buttler
 
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i think bowling in t20 is tougher than tests.

getting smashed all around the ground, compared to bowling on day five of a test, with a wearing pitch and four around the bat

we took crane to Australia, with zero experience and he was thrashed all over the park.

a similar thing happened to scotty borthwick, who will never get another game.

Imo Rashid is a proven wicket taker at odi/t20 international level, but we will never know as he was never given an opportunity to play a test in england
 
I can't believe we're picking someone to bat at 7, to come in after the all-rounder and the 'keeper. Not an all-rounder or even an outstanding fielder, just a batsman. I bet Buttler cannot believe his luck.

The Rat said:
no thanks
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Great, I'll refer that back to the members.

And if you think players don't go to the IPL for the money then you are out of your mind.
 
The Rat said:
no thanks



What has this got to do with anything we are taking about?



None of those players could play at 7 bar foakes if he is keeping, which he wouldn't be

why are people missing this point?

we have picked a number7 , not an opener or a 4 or 5
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You were suggesting, I think, that you didn't like Stokes at 7 and liked Bairstow at 7, coming in after him. I guess my point was that the batting line up should be more about getting Bairstow in his right place than Stokes, given he's a better batter (and that he should be above him, generally). But I'll admit, it's possible I got the wrong end of the stick in terms of what you were saying.

The Rat said:
no thanks



What has this got to do with anything we are taking about?



None of those players could play at 7 bar foakes if he is keeping, which he wouldn't be

why are people missing this point?

we have picked a number7 , not an opener or a 4 or 5
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I think people are saying that we should have brought a new middle order player in and shuffled it around a bit - perhaps by putting Stokes down at seven - and that this would be a better outcome overall.

I'm not sure what I feel about Buttler tbh, so I'm going to sit on the fence. Stoneman is my main problem.
 
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Steak Pie said:
I can't believe we're picking someone to bat at 7, to come in after the all-rounder and the 'keeper. Not an all-rounder or even an outstanding fielder, just a batsman. I bet Buttler cannot believe his luck.



Great, I'll refer that back to the members.

And if you think players don't go to the IPL for the money then you are out of your mind.
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Why the hell wouldn't you want to play in the IPL for the same money you get in county cricket

Are you insane?

Comeback_Kenwyne said:
You were suggesting, I think, that you didn't like Stokes at 7 and liked Bairstow at 7, coming in after him. I guess my point was that the batting line up should be more about getting Bairstow in his right place than Stokes, given he's a better batter (and that he should be above him, generally). But I'll admit, it's possible I got the wrong end of the stick in terms of what you were saying.



I think people are saying that we should have brought a new middle order player in and shuffled it around a bit - perhaps by putting Stokes down at seven - and that this would be a better outcome overall.

I'm not sure what I feel about Buttler tbh, so I'm going to sit on the fence. Stoneman is my main problem.
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Can't be having Stokes at 7 like, no chance
 
Not sure how much of a difference it makes, red ball or white ball. If you're scoring 100s for fun against world class cricketers, he's probably worth a punt at #7. Even more impressive to do it in a t20, IMO. Not many balls to get a 100.

Buttler selection is fine.

TopCat said:
Bess has one wicket this season :neutral:
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He's just in the side to acclimate himself to the setup for later down the road, I think.
 
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