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People were wrong about Short ...

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chunksafc said:
Jesus, in my 35 years of supporting us its only know becoming apparent that some fans are continuley looking back and spouting doom is the normal thing.

Ellis short bought out the Irish when the cash ran out and we were fucked, He then pumped a ton of cash into the club to try and get us well established in the premier league, He appointed managers the vast majority wanted and also sacked managers the vast majority wanted, He tried new approaches again that were welcomed and he stopped new approaches that the vast majority wanted.

People clamour to be back in the premier league? For What? To spend a fortune we can't afford avoiding relegation and finishing somewhere in the top half of the league? To know that the top 6 is a closed shop unless you spunk millions of pounds on mercenary players that will leave as soon as they can for a bigger pay check?

Did he make fuck ups? Yes massive ones, has it cost him a lot of money? Yes it has, did he do it on purpose? Did he fuck.

Could he have spent a few million I January to stop us going down? Possibly but what would we have Got? Players on stupid money that will fuck off as soon as a better offer comes in or just not play no matter what.

Im grateful he gave it a go, I'm more grateful he has admitted he got it wrong and wrote of the debt and is selling to someone else with enough tile to plan for the future
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Cracking post and sums it up for me.
 

chunksafc said:
Jesus, in my 35 years of supporting us its only know becoming apparent that some fans are continuley looking back and spouting doom is the normal thing.

Ellis short bought out the Irish when the cash ran out and we were fucked, He then pumped a ton of cash into the club to try and get us well established in the premier league, He appointed managers the vast majority wanted and also sacked managers the vast majority wanted, He tried new approaches again that were welcomed and he stopped new approaches that the vast majority wanted.

People clamour to be back in the premier league? For What? To spend a fortune we can't afford avoiding relegation and finishing somewhere in the top half of the league? To know that the top 6 is a closed shop unless you spunk millions of pounds on mercenary players that will leave as soon as they can for a bigger pay check?

Did he make fuck ups? Yes massive ones, has it cost him a lot of money? Yes it has, did he do it on purpose? Did he fuck.

Could he have spent a few million I January to stop us going down? Possibly but what would we have Got? Players on stupid money that will fuck off as soon as a better offer comes in or just not play no matter what.

Im grateful he gave it a go, I'm more grateful he has admitted he got it wrong and wrote of the debt and is selling to someone else with enough tile to plan for the future
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Great post and if it turns out that sometime in the future he is entitled to some pay back then fairy nuff as long as it isn't going to screw us up.
 
T_Bone said:
Wouldn't anyone doing due diligence uncover the treachery you accuse him of ? I think you need to wind your neck in.
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They got the club for nowt man they don't give a toss about diligence . Remember, they haven't come here because they like us or the town or the team . They've come here to make money - just like Short .
 
DisillusionedOldGit said:
You can't believe for a minute that we'd be the first club to be bled dry by it's owner can you ?
The twat sat back and tortured us for 18 month and did nowt . Suddenly the debt has disappeared . It was never there man . Not to anywhere near the extent that he claimed . He didn't dare let us go into administration because the truth would out , exposing him for the bullshitting rogue he's always been . How can otherwise intelligent people be so naive when it comes to business shit ?
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:lol: This is on a par with people who believe the Earth is flat.
 
DisillusionedOldGit said:
They got the club for nowt man they don't give a toss about diligence . Remember, they haven't come here because they like us or the town or the team . They've come here to make money - just like Short .
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Do you think they have 't done due diligence ?
Feckin ell, Mike Ashley must be part of the consortium.
 
Reiver said:
.... and it's killing them.

There must have been dozens of posters who vehemently insisted Short had a plan to take the club into administration and 'thereby line his pockets' or whatever. Even logical replies by people who understand finance, such as @Grumpy Old Man, were dismissed out of hand by people who 'knew better'.

I suspect this is the reason for so many of these 'I bet there are hidden clauses from Short and we'll be paying him for years' threads.

I've seen people claiming all kinds of dirty tricks regarding the takeover that will come back to haunt us, they simply refuse to believe we're debt free.

FFS lads, just accept he's done the decent thing and has given us the chance to draw a line on the past. Going back over Short, Bain, Byrne, etc etc etc is destructive and part of the problem. It's often said, on here, that there's a self destructive attitude from people who just happy clap and accept shit ..... so why don't those people look on the bright side, for once, and accept this opportunity to rebuild the club in the right way, just a thought.
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You would have to be on some serious mind bending drugs to have a problem with Ellis Short.

It seems at the end of it, he will have given about 200 million quid of his fortune to give SAFC a go - for nothing in return. Are you aware of anyone else who would do that?

The only question is: why?

To say: "here you are lads, here's 70 million quid of my money to help you in the future", for nothing in return, is hard to fathom.

He brought players and managers here who we would never have had without him and that's as close to a fact from an opinion as you can get.

I don't recall anyone moaning when the money was being spent left, right and centre, although anyone with a bit of nous understood that it probably wasn't wise given that slow and steady wins the race; the moaning happened when it all went wrong which was on the cards due to short-termism.

His mistake was not understanding football. He assumed that poor form could be dealt with through rapid and constant change, like a product. If it's not performing now then change it, but football is a long term building process.

What he really needed alongside him was someone who understood football and wasn't prepared to budge from his philosophy. He was also a touch unlucky in that the few times we seemed to on to something the manager or the best players left.

At the end of it, SAFC hasn't achieved much for nearly 70 years now, and that clearly goes far beyond Ellis Short.
 
Slow joe said:
Hes done the decent thing in the end but hes absolutely humiliated us over the last 4-5yrs
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The way you're talking you'd think we were Barcelona and he'd overseen relegation.

Like it or not, we were a nothing club in relation to English football.

He came in and poured in a lot of money, when no one else was stepping forward to do that.

Didn't work, but then it hasn't worked at SAFC for nigh on 70 years, so the problem at the club, in terms of challenging for something; lies far beyond Ellis Short.
 
RichD said:
He's took us down to league 2 and even with the debt wriitn off the club is a mess so .

I'll never change my mind about short...
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I wouldn't ask or expect you to, his time here has been a disaster.

My points were regarding those who kept claiming he was deliberately taking us into administration to 'line his pockets', banking the TV/Pickford money, etc.

A crook and a conman in other words.

Even though that was a ludicrous, probably fraudulent, concept people still kept insisting it was the truth.

And now people seem to be actually taking offence that he's made the club debt free.

They're desperately looking for a smoking gun to prove he's a crook .... almost as if they'd rather he'd left SAFC in debt than be proved wrong.

They've spent so much time believing he was a crook they can't even bring themselves to consider that perhaps he isn't.
 
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Some good posts on this thread. We are in a hole and a shitty hole at that, but this takeover and the wiping of possibly over a hundred million pounds of debt has got some juices flowing again that things will change and we can move on from 2 terrible seasons as a fan. I can sense a positive new future for the club and a fresh start.
Maybe a blinkered view, but isn't that why we follow the club? To have some positive feelings and belief? Never look back, it's gone. Good and bad times. Onwards and upwards and the more people that buy into this the stronger the club will be as a whole KTF
 
Locke's SAFC said:
The way you're talking you'd think we were Barcelona and he'd overseen relegation.

Like it or not, we were a nothing club in relation to English football.

He came in and poured in a lot of money, when no one else was stepping forward to do that.

Didn't work, but then it hasn't worked at SAFC for nigh on 70 years, so the problem at the club, in terms of challenging for something; lies far beyond Ellis Short.
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He was in a queue of 1 to buy the club, much the same now tbh.

The Mags thought they'd have buyers fighting over NUFC but Ashley is still lumbered with the club.

Ashley has openly stated that Newcastle can't compete at the top of the financial ladder.

That's the state of NE football I'm afraid.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
You would have to be on some serious mind bending drugs to have a problem with Ellis Short.

It seems at the end of it, he will have given about 200 million quid of his fortune to give SAFC a go - for nothing in return. Are you aware of anyone else who would do that?

The only question is: why?

To say: "here you are lads, here's 70 million quid of my money to help you in the future", for nothing in return, is hard to fathom.

He brought players and managers here who we would never have had without him and that's as close to a fact from an opinion as you can get.

I don't recall anyone moaning when the money was being spent left, right and centre, although anyone with a bit of nous understood that it probably wasn't wise given that slow and steady wins the race; the moaning happened when it all went wrong which was on the cards due to short-termism.

His mistake was not understanding football. He assumed that poor form could be dealt with through rapid and constant change, like a product. If it's not performing now then change it, but football is a long term building process.

What he really needed alongside him was someone who understood football and wasn't prepared to budge from his philosophy. He was also a touch unlucky in that the few times we seemed to on to something the manager or the best players left.

At the end of it, SAFC hasn't achieved much for nearly 70 years now, and that clearly goes far beyond Ellis Short.
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Short termism. LOL.
 
Smartin said:
Don’t get it, he would write off millions of pounds of debt but wouldn’t invest a couole extra million to keep the club in the division.

Decent of him but yet more bewildering bad running of the club.
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There's no guarantee "a couple of extra million" would have kept us in the division.

The club have threw good money after bad without success. With Coleman in charge, we would have probably spent the "extra couple of million" and still went down.
 
chunksafc said:
Jesus, in my 35 years of supporting us its only know becoming apparent that some fans are continuley looking back and spouting doom is the normal thing.

Ellis short bought out the Irish when the cash ran out and we were fucked, He then pumped a ton of cash into the club to try and get us well established in the premier league, He appointed managers the vast majority wanted and also sacked managers the vast majority wanted, He tried new approaches again that were welcomed and he stopped new approaches that the vast majority wanted.

People clamour to be back in the premier league? For What? To spend a fortune we can't afford avoiding relegation and finishing somewhere in the top half of the league? To know that the top 6 is a closed shop unless you spunk millions of pounds on mercenary players that will leave as soon as they can for a bigger pay check?

Did he make fuck ups? Yes massive ones, has it cost him a lot of money? Yes it has, did he do it on purpose? Did he fuck.

Could he have spent a few million I January to stop us going down? Possibly but what would we have Got? Players on stupid money that will fuck off as soon as a better offer comes in or just not play no matter what.

Im grateful he gave it a go, I'm more grateful he has admitted he got it wrong and wrote of the debt and is selling to someone else with enough tile to plan for the future
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Post of the day Chunk, well done.
 
Reiver said:
He was in a queue of 1 to buy the club, much the same now tbh.

The Mags thought they'd have buyers fighting over NUFC but Ashley is still lumbered with the club.

Ashley has openly stated that Newcastle can't compete at the top of the financial ladder.

That's the state of NE football I'm afraid.
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You do seem to be right about the mags mind. Knowing those jammy buggers though the king of all the awab mans will buy them .
 
Johnap said:
No sorry Short was a disaster. Incompetent appointments - not once but several times. Did he ever ask any football people for advice because I know I would have. Yes he wrote off the debt but he and his appointments were responsible for that debt. We need to move on and I just hope the new people are more football savvy.
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Like who? Quinn? His advice was extend Bruce's contract.

He also got football people in like Advocaat, MON , Moyes etc and they wasted millions. What different advice would "football people" have given him?

DisillusionedOldGit said:
You can't believe for a minute that we'd be the first club to be bled dry by it's owner can you ?
The twat sat back and tortured us for 18 month and did nowt . Suddenly the debt has disappeared .
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f***ing hell, I've never seen so much bullshit in one post. Take your tinfoil hat off ffs.

Get yourself on companies house and see for yourself. If you think the accounts have been forged you could be on the brink of unearthing the biggest football scandal of the century.

Or you could just do the maths with our transfer dealings of the last decade and then you'll realise where the money's gone.
 
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I've read a few posts going on about the last 2 years being shite, remind me again about the last 10? Cup final and a top ten finish aside when have we ever had a good season?

I'm fact what is a good season? Hitting 40 points and being safe in the premiership by February with fuck all to play for till the season starts again and we have spent millions on players?

People need to accept facts, we are a yo yo club, we will get eventually get promoted back to the premiership and we may have a few years of avoiding relegation, eventually we doo get caught out and go down.

As much as it pains me to say it, unless Bill Gates comes in, the best we can hope for is to survive and maybe a cup run.

God I hate modern football
 
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