Why does nobody care?

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It's because our decline is not coming as a surprise to anyone. It's been a gradual process over a long period of time and along the way there have been many warning articles in the press and pieces on TV discussing our plight. The club has either not been able to do anything about it or has simply ignored the warnings and here we are as a result.
 
The Fish said:
The original question was "why does nobody care?", the OP then asked why the plight of your club isn't getting media attention.

A major reason why nobody is paying attention is because rightly or wrongly, nobody is doing anything to get attention. A question that will always follow a remarkable protest (however unclear the message, or how poorly conceived) is "Why are they protesting?".

The "Cockney Mafia" banners, the mock funeral, the march, the walk out, the PardewOut.com website all got attention from local or national press.

West Ham's pitch invasion, Charlton's various protests, Blackpool's, they all got national media attention too. Which is what the OP was calling for, wasn't it?

If you want to know how national media attention would benefit your club, that's a different question. One my replies are, as yet, not intended to answer.
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By gaining national attention do you mean by getting laughed at?
 
stockton said:
Thinking back a few years another example, when Brighton got slung out of the Goldstone Ground by Michael archer, Demos, “archer out” graffiti all over Brighton. Nothing in Sunderland at present.
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Are we getting evicted from the SOL like?
 
The Rat said:
Let's leave aside people inside the club, owner, CEO, players etc

I just don't see our situation being mentioned anywhere outside of our bubble. No ex-players speaking out. No pundits.

The "we are a big club" arguments are tedious normally, but we are a pretty big club, heading for back to back relegations in such awful fashion and it feels like nobody cares.

Why hasn't Quinny even said anything?

Is it because we are stuck in the north east or something?

So much football coverage, 24/7 stories, mostly about fuck all, this is a real big story surely. I;m at a loss with the whole thing, feels like we have just been left to die and nobody outside the fan base gives a shit.
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Meh...
 
The Rat said:
Let's leave aside people inside the club, owner, CEO, players etc

I just don't see our situation being mentioned anywhere outside of our bubble. No ex-players speaking out. No pundits.

The "we are a big club" arguments are tedious normally, but we are a pretty big club, heading for back to back relegations in such awful fashion and it feels like nobody cares.

Why hasn't Quinny even said anything?

Is it because we are stuck in the north east or something?

So much football coverage, 24/7 stories, mostly about fuck all, this is a real big story surely. I;m at a loss with the whole thing, feels like we have just been left to die and nobody outside the fan base gives a shit.
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Did anybody give a shit when Swindon did it? How about Wolves? Nobody cares outside each clubs' bubbles.
 
SAFCOldie said:
It's because of Brexit surely :)
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I know you're joking, but being a flagship city for self-sabotage and the removal of EU travel rights isn't likely to have helped.

We specifically need to attract athletes under the age of 30 with good career prospects to the area. What a great way of showing we're the place for them to thrive.
 
mag in peace said:
It is not picked up by the mainstream press as you lot as fans dont even care so why would anyone else?

West Ham protest and its everywhere rightly or wrongly.
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What we clearly need is a shite load of heavily soiled, paint daubed bedsheets with crap spelling, and a couple of lads to take one for the team and attack some livestock within range of a Sky camera.
 
May have been mentioned already, but perhaps it's indicative of Football at the moment. It's just business, an odious trough of selfishness, greed, excess and prima donas. Years ago I would guess the football fraternity would have cared (perhaps), but now it's me and mine and bollocks to the rest. The rich clubs are OK and if there are other clubs struggling, well it'll be fewer dissenting voices to vote against the "elite" getting more.

As for other supporters, they probably think we are heading to our level after taking into account that a fair percentage will only have known us as a tier 2 or woeful Premiership outfit.
 
JJH said:
Listening to radio Newcastle match commentary and the bloke who reports alongside Benno sounded like he couldn’t give a fcik.
Compare that to the fat twat mick lowes and he would be going mental
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I thought he sounded like he was sad and disappointed (again) while allowing Benno to do the raging bit.
 
People in football are on a massive gravy train. There is never any criticism of how other clubs are run aside from the stage managed "barbs" from one "elite" manager to another in press conferences.

There is no criticism because you never know when you may need a job, even at a basket case club like us. Ditto ex-players in the media won't push too far in case they are pushed out, no longer "in the know" and lose value to their media handler.

Only a few clubs have someone high enough profile to have a little "national" moan, hence Shearer on MOTD the odd time; as someone as said all we have is Mickey Gray in an obscure corner of Ch5, and he sticks fairly rigidly to only the football from the few times I've watched.

But even with Shearer's profile, when he has a whinge does anyone apart from Mag fans really care?

Football has always been parochial. Put it another way - when Portsmouth, Leeds, Wolves, the Sheffields etc crashed and burned did anyone on here really care much at all?
 
TheStatCat said:
People in football are on a massive gravy train. There is never any criticism of how other clubs are run aside from the stage managed "barbs" from one "elite" manager to another in press conferences.

There is no criticism because you never know when you may need a job, even at a basket case club like us. Ditto ex-players in the media won't push too far in case they are pushed out, no longer "in the know" and lose value to their media handler.

Only a few clubs have someone high enough profile to have a little "national" moan, hence Shearer on MOTD the odd time; as someone as said all we have is Mickey Gray in an obscure corner of Ch5, and he sticks fairly rigidly to only the football from the few times I've watched.

But even with Shearer's profile, when he has a whinge does anyone apart from Mag fans really care?

Football has always been parochial. Put it another way - when Portsmouth, Leeds, Wolves, the Sheffields etc crashed and burned did anyone on here really care much at all?
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True

What I noticed is its always about not spending enough when fans moan, like the West Ham and the Mags fans

Its really dangerous and quite sad, fans just demanding to spend money, more money than they actually earn, but yet don't want to take responsiblity for any debt that would come because of it

I'd like to know was it like this in the 70s and 80s? Did fans protest about the same thing?
 
The Rat said:
True

What I noticed is its always about not spending enough when fans moan, like the West Ham and the Mags fans

Its really dangerous and quite sad, fans just demanding to spend money, more money than they actually earn, but yet don't want to take responsiblity for any debt that would come because of it

I'd like to know was it like this in the 70s and 80s? Did fans protest about the same thing?
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No, because there wasn't the money in the game. In the mid-1980's, I worked for a firm that were auditors to Birmingham. I did a bit of work in their pension scheme. At that time, Howard Gayle was their top paid player - he was on £35,000 ..... a year. That was less than twice than I was on at the time, admittedly as a well paid audit manager. But there were guys on factory floors then getting around £150/week. There wasn't the big disconnect there is now.
 
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Grumpy Old Man said:
No, because there wasn't the money in the game. In the mid-1980's, I worked for a firm that were auditors to Birmingham. I did a bit of work in their pension scheme. At that time, Howard Gayle was their top paid player - he was on £35,000 ..... a year. That was less than twice than I was on at the time, admittedly as a well paid audit manager. But there were guys on factory floors then getting around £150/week. There wasn't the big disconnect there is now.
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Absolutely

Do you see the point I am getting at though?

Fans moan about the disconnect, but then demand and protest that the owners spend 10s 0f millions of pounds on players who are mostly certaonly just coming for the money

Then when a player wants to leave for more money, the owner is hounded, player slaughtered

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, the fans are to blame too

Must stress on about clubs in the top league protesting, not Sunderland fans.

All the time building up big debts

Why would any fan ever want their club to spend more money than they earn, I just don't get it.
 
The Rat said:
True

What I noticed is its always about not spending enough when fans moan, like the West Ham and the Mags fans

Its really dangerous and quite sad, fans just demanding to spend money, more money than they actually earn, but yet don't want to take responsiblity for any debt that would come because of it

I'd like to know was it like this in the 70s and 80s? Did fans protest about the same thing?
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It is always about money these days, because when ever a team underperforms the pundits only "solution" is buying more and more players, without any thought of how economically viable it is for that club. Shearer does this on MOTD about the Mags and then can't see the irony of saying seconds later what a great coach Benitez is.

Having said that, the only protests I remember at SAFC were in the Buxton / Butcher era mid-90s just before Reid. It was sort of about money, but really about Murray's lack of ambition. We had looked a gift horse in the mouth when defaulted promotion to top flight in 1990; a tiny bit of investment that season and Denis Smith would have kept us up. We then proceeded to just drift and gradually slip lower and lower. Seems like heaven now, but fans couldn't hack the fact that Murray had let a golden opportunity slip through his fingers. It sort of worked, Reid scraped us up, went up next season, SoL got built, the mini-golden era happened.
 
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