The afterlife

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dangermows said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...e-common-features-near-death-experiences.html
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"The most frequently reported features were a feeling of peacefulness (80 per cent of participants), seeing a bright light (69 per cent) and encountering with spirits/people (64 per cent)."

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"The most frequently reported features were a feeling of having been given a sedative (80 per cent of participants), seeing the lights in the ambulance/hospital with blurred eyes while sedated (69 per cent) and encountering with medical staff while sedated and either hallucinating or bullshitting about seeing dead friends/relatives (64 per cent)."
 
fyl2u said:
"The most frequently reported features were a feeling of peacefulness (80 per cent of participants), seeing a bright light (69 per cent) and encountering with spirits/people (64 per cent)."

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"The most frequently reported features were a feeling of having been given a sedative (80 per cent of participants), seeing the lights in the ambulance/hospital with blurred eyes while sedated (69 per cent) and encountering with medical staff while sedated and either hallucinating or bullshitting about seeing dead friends/relatives (64 per cent)."
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narrrr its god man Jesus said it so it must be true.
 
I expect there will be period of time between when breathing stops and final neurological activity. I suppose the first experiences will be the sense organs no longer functioning, sights and sounds from the external world will cease. The internal parts of the brain that process sensory input may continue to function for a short while. The visual cortex may now produce the tunnel effect and light. I hope I can surrender and become completely absorbed in the light.
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
I expect there will be period of time between when breathing stops and final neurological activity. I suppose the first experiences will be the sense organs no longer functioning, sights and sounds from the external world will cease. The internal parts of the brain that process sensory input may continue to function for a short while. The visual cortex may now produce the tunnel effect and light. I hope I can surrender and become completely absorbed in the light.
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Interesting breakdown, but what do you think happens after that ?
 
CissesUnderpants19 said:
Interesting breakdown, but what do you think happens after that ?
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Similar experiences occur during meditation. I think the light will give way to a brilliant blackness. Only consciousness and a sense of self will remain. At some point the brains ability to conceptualise will end and the sense of self will dissolve away leaving consciousness in a space that has no sense of dimension or time. That is what I think will be the final moment of clarity. What happens after that I have no ideas but that short period of time between the last breath and when neurological activity ends may be minutes to those around observing but it will feel like a much longer time to the person dying. Time will seem to slow down. Maybe if that final moment of clarity seems to last forever, the final slip into complete emptiness may not even be noticed. Who knows but the light will lead the way to go.
 
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Mercia Blackcat said:
Similar experiences occur during meditation. I think the light will give way to a brilliant blackness. Only consciousness and a sense of self will remain. At some point the brains ability to conceptualise will end and the sense of self will dissolve away leaving consciousness in a space that has no sense of dimension and or time. That is what I think will be the final moment of clarity. What happens after that I have no ideas but that short period of time between the last breath and when neurological activity ends may be minutes to those around observing but it will feel like a much longer time to the person dying. Time will seem to slow down. Maybe if that final moment of clarity seems to last forever, the final slip into complete emptiness may not even be noticed. Who knows but the light will lead the way to go.
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I have always thought, we leave this planet, and go somewhere else in the universe, well our soul does. drifting threw time and space forever
 
CissesUnderpants19 said:
I have always thought, we leave this planet, and go somewhere else in the universe, well our soul does. drifting threw time and space forever
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I don't really think about it to be honest even though I am much nearer the exit than the entry door. The same with reincarnation. These things may happen or they may not. I know that what I ultimately am is emptiness. Same with everyone else. We never left that emptiness. It just got covered over with transient things that we thought were real. It is as if we are all individual cells of a multi-celled organism. Individual nerves in a complex human nervous system. We are all the same thing once all the transient elements are removed. I think this emptiness is the inherent nature of the universe. Was this emptiness that we are ever born and can it ever die? There is only one reality and we all are that reality. Maybe that is what is meant by the Living God.
 
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redgauntlet said:
I worked with a man who had been interviewed by several academics about his near death experience. He had almost died while swimming but "came back to life." I can only think that he was never actually clinically dead in the first place or his brai would have been damaged. He saw the bright blue light at the end of a long passageway/tunnel. I am sceptical.
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Aye death should be defined as something beyond which it is impossible to restore life with current technology.

Let's see anyone come back from that.
 
I'm more convinced there is no afterlife from my experience last year. Although my brain hadn't died I stopped breathing for some time. Apparently three times. At home, in the air ambulance, and on arrival at infirmary. Is that physically dead? I'm not sure how you'd classify it apart from getting ready to push up a few daisies.

Anyway, total darkness for me. Blank. No conscious memory of that time. When I came to in intensive care, I was aware I was no longer at home, and there were cubicles of people around me. Just ahead, one man died, that much was obvious, and these uniformed people carted off his lifeless body.

In my addled state, I thought I was dead, and this was Purgatory, awaiting my fate. My thoughts were 'Fuck, I spent my life an atheist, I'm on my way down below'. Then a nurse came over to me and explained where I was. I didn't believe I was 30+ miles from where I lived, especially as my nearest infirmary was just 2 miles from home, or that I'd been in a helicopter. "Fuck off, I'm dead, right?" was my unfortunate response. It was only when some family were allowed to visit briefly that I thought "Either they're all dead too or I am actually in hospital."

I'm not sure how much of this part is urban myth, though, but apparently in my death throes my bowels did evacuate! :lol: One of my relatives were told "We had to clean him up a bit before you could see him" and after they left I had a number of other accidents in that area. The nurses became less and less empathic. :lol:

None of this proves anything, of course, but experiencing that blank chunk of time between collapsing at home and being in the infirmary, and the lack of white lights and stairways in that time, has leaned me more to no afterlife other than in the memories of people who knew you after you've gone.
 
Highly amusing to read the opinions of people about something about which that they couldn't possibly have a clue. It's like the Pure Football forum on here sometimes.

I think I might wait until either a) I have an in depth conversation on the topic with somebody who's actually dead or b) I'm dead.

In the event of b) I'm happy to have a chat with any on you in the manner of a) if you buy me a pint of cider (it will be cider won't it?) in the Afterlife Arms*

* The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. So I'll be in the snug.
 
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redgauntlet said:
Yes, I knew about Darwin and his anxiety problems. The loss of his children, the rejection of his work by his university and his mentor. Religion was the problem his ideas went against the teachings so he must be mad. His work certainly challenged the life eternal myth. Lux Aeterna. A lot of his work was on barnacles and the different variations in small areas, each adapted to it's own environment. Mind, it has been a long time since I read it.


True but butterflies die after one day, I believe. Then what?


I worked with a man who had been interviewed by several academics about his near death experience. He had almost died while swimming but "came back to life." I can only think that he was never actually clinically dead in the first place or his brai would have been damaged. He saw the bright blue light at the end of a long passageway/tunnel. I am sceptical.
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Nothing wrong with skepticism
 
Hate it when people say there's no after-life as if it's fact. As humans we think we're intelligent but in the grand scale we know absolutely fuck all. There will be forces that we're not completely aware of and have no way to measure. There will be things and senses inside the human body that we are unaware of and are unable to measure or detect.

We are a tiny dot in the universe, for all we know our universe could be an atom inside a larger creature, and atoms inside us could be tiny universes. We literally know next to nothing. There could be absolutely anything after death.
 
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Hate it when people say there's no after-life as if it's fact. As humans we think we're intelligent but in the grand scale we know absolutely fuck all. There will be forces that we're not completely aware of and have no way to measure. There will be things and senses inside the human body that we are unaware of and are unable to measure or detect.

We are a tiny dot in the universe, for all we know our universe could be an atom inside a larger creature, and atoms inside us could be tiny universes. We literally know next to nothing. There could be absolutely anything after death.
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Forces that can't be measured and senses we can't detect? :lol:
 
Mercia Blackcat said:
I expect there will be period of time between when breathing stops and final neurological activity. I suppose the first experiences will be the sense organs no longer functioning, sights and sounds from the external world will cease. The internal parts of the brain that process sensory input may continue to function for a short while. The visual cortex may now produce the tunnel effect and light. I hope I can surrender and become completely absorbed in the light.
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Might also be a psychological element. I nearly died once and felt incredibly relaxed. It was a sense of "well that's it then, the struggle through life is over". It was akin to head meeting pillow in a warm, comfy bed, at the end of a long, stressful day.

The tunnelling, white lights and hallucinations will be an artifact of neurological shutdown, as you say.
 
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