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Had the pleasure of spending a couple of hours in his company at a hotel bar after the ECWC final,more than happy to pose for photos sign autographs and get the ale in along with whiskey chasers
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How the fuck did that happen? Great for forest, shit for us, great for forest
Dunno about that but he was a loveable character who somehow made average players World Beaters.
I mean, Kenny Burns, John McGovern, Frank Clark and many more.
How did he do it ?
Journeyman like Peter Withe, John Robertson ran as fast as I can. A real football man. Even now i love watching Clough interviews on you tube.Dunno about that but he was a loveable character who somehow made average players World Beaters.
I mean, Kenny Burns, John McGovern, Frank Clark and many more.
How did he do it ?
I posted this last year -Cloughie held a talk-in in the La Strada when he was in between jobs (1974-75 time) not long before he went to Forest.
Asked what he would do if he was offered the Sunderland job he said we already had a good manager (Stokoe) and he said the question was irrelevant.
The lad who asked insisted he would like to know what he would do anyway.
Cloughie relented and said he would keep us up.
He would then have a good crack at the championship (Div 1 then)
With the crowds we could command he could sign anyone he wanted so he had no fears about success.
Next season he would go for the European Cup.
No one laughed.
Fast forward a couple of years, Div 2 promotion, Div 1 champs, European Cup x 2
Signed the best in the land.
FFS, what have we done to deserve our fate.
Good summary of the manLove Cloughie. An absolute one-off that many have tried to copy but never pulled off. He had the front and the ego, but the ability to walk the walk.
That's a fake story. Saunders got a lot of shit for telling it.
I posted this last year -
Someone I knew years ago was at a sportsmans dinner where Cloughie was the guest speaker. During the meal the conversation got around to McMenemy who wasn't doing so well at Sunderland. Cloughie said McMenemy had rang him for advice before he took the job. "I told him not to take it" said Clough, "I told him the job was too big for him". Someone at the table asked "Is it too big a job for you, Mr Clough?". Cloughie finished what he was eating, put his knife and fork on the plate, had a drink of wine, sat back in his chair, turned to look the guy in the face and answered "Yes. I'm the best manager in the world and that job is too big for me now. It's the biggest job in football and it will take a nobody to make Sunderland great again, a manager that no one expects anything from".
He was saying that expectations at SAFC were so high and appointing a big name manager like himself or McMenemy would increase those expectations so much that achieving anything less than 100% of those expectations would be failure. i.e. McMenemy was on a hiding to nothing.Read it a few times and still dont get it. Is he saying Sunderland are unmanageable? There isnt a manager who the fans expect nothing from?
He was saying that expectations at SAFC were so high and appointing a big name manager like himself or McMenemy would increase those expectations so much that achieving anything less than 100% of those expectations would be failure. i.e. McMenemy was on a hiding to nothing.
Denis Smith was the next manager, a relative nobody who did a decent job.
But the 'nobody' did a lot better than the 'big name'. The story was more about Clough having doubts that even he couldn't make a success of Sunderland.A decent job yeah but hardly making us great again. Thats the bit that confuses as to what Clough was stating. Plenty of nobodys had failed here by the mid-late 1980s when its supposed these comments were made. McMenemy was actually a break from the usual recruitment process.
Just like Moyesy.It's a fact. Just his brilliant man management. He inspired people to play way beyond their abilities and creates an excellent team morale.
Just like Moyesy.
But the 'nobody' did a lot better than the 'big name'. The story was more about Clough having doubts that even he couldn't make a success of Sunderland.[/QUOT
The story is obviously embellished with plenty of dramatic licence but still cant make any sense of it. Or is that point being a Cloughie anecdote and all.
Google 'workie ticket' and a picture of Bowyer comes upIan Bowyer.