Allardyce and his obsession with...

[Qwerty]

I couldn't care less about past trophies. The fact is the Dutch fella (for whatever reason) was taking us down for certain. BSA has given us a chance and is not the long ball merchant the red tops would have you believe.

The Dutch fella saved us from relegation last season as did the previous 2 foreign coaches. Sam to to equal that achievement yet.

 

[Definitely Maybe]

Moyes didn't even get a full season man and didn't have the half the money to spend that LVG has had to fail to qualify for champs league. AVB took over a side that had finished 4th under Redknapp and finished 5th then got bladdered the following season. This after Redknapp had taken over a spurs side bottom of league having taken over after Ramos had made a mess of it. He also got them to quarters of champs league for good measure. Pochettino done a very good job mind.

Moyes took over the runaway champions ffs

Redknapp finished 4th but won fewer points than AVB did in 5th

 

[naughtynose]

You've totally lose me when talking about advocaats trophies and having a pop at Sam. Advocaat was an absolutely f***ing joke of a manager for us and was absolutely clueless. No defending of him at for m, bloke has cost us big time.

Absolutely

 

[chuckyroll]

The Dutch fella saved us from relegation last season as did the previous 2 foreign coaches. Sam to to equal that achievement yet.

The Dutch fella fucked us over this season . Shoukd be ashamed of his actions .

 

[Mrjardine]

My guess is that they show enough desire to get up to speed with coaching towards the end of their careers, get their licenses early and work hard to gain opportunities then prove themselves. Or maybe it's all a big., bad, conspiracy to keep English managers out of the top jobs.......yeah, that's much more likely.

All managers need licences, every single one so that's a pre requisite to get a job anyway and plenty British lads have them.
How did any of them lads prove themselves? Conte won a seria B then got Juve job. That's like Dyche walking into Man Utd job! The job Allsrdyce done at Bolton was superb and his big break was a middle of road at best club in the mags who sacked him because they were where they pretty much should be and that's about mid table.
You can call Pardew but he done a good job at mags and is doing so now at Palace. Will he get a big job? Of course he won't.

 

[Qwerty]

The Dutch fella fucked us over this season . Shoukd be ashamed of his actions .

This time last year DA was the dogs bollocks on here, if Sam matches that he'll receive the same admiration.
The thread is about Sam being the flag bearer for English managers, it's got f@@@ all to do with him, his job is to get the points to avoid relegation.

 

[Mrjardine]

Moyes took over the runaway champions ffs

Redknapp finished 4th but won fewer points than AVB did in 5th

They were a side on their way down as everyone knew, fergie included. Don't get me wrong they should've done better than where they were but what's LVG done with an absolute boatload of cash? Fuck all!
League placing count not points. AVB didn't eclipse redknapp and ended up sacked. Spurs were a nothing premier league club until Redknapp took over .

 

[chuckyroll]

This time last year DA was the dogs bollocks on here, if Sam matches that he'll receive the same admiration.
The thread is about Sam being the flag bearer for English managers, it's got f@@@ all to do with him, his job is to get the points to avoid relegation.

Respect for what he did but well and truly tarnished with the mess he left .

 

[johnson]

English as opposed to foreign coaches. He's complained about it numerous times and even since he's been here he's made some quasi-xenophobic comments about both Benitez (fair enough, we're in a relegation scrap with them) and Klopp. He also had a moan when Monk was sacked by Swansea.....but has said nowt about the foreign coach who has them safe with a few games to spare when they looked doomed under Monk.

He's always citing "evidence" and how it's "proven" that their methods don't work. I'd say the fact Wilko was the last English manager to win the PL, barely any English managers have won major trophies in the last 20 years and the English national team's most successful coach in that time was from Sweden is pretty conclusive evidence that they are simply are not as good as their foreign counter parts. He seems unwilling to listen to this evidence though and it's all some outrageous plot to keep the English coaches down.

Does he honestly expect us to believe that owners only appoint foreign coaches because they are anti-English? If there was an English coach around with any decent pedigree (winning something) he'd be snapped up in no time by a top PL club.

Anyway, it winds me up and I wish he'd stop talking shite.

I think he has a point, some foreign coaches get better jobs based on nothing. Its not that they are anti-english, just they get romanced by it

I mean how the fuck did Poyet and PDC get our job, they weren't remotely qualified

But when the suggestion last year was that we appoint Dyche, people went ape shit, they didn't when the other 2 were appointed.

He is right.

They were a side on their way down as everyone knew, fergie included. Don't get me wrong they should've done better than where they were but what's LVG done with an absolute boatload of cash? Fuck all!
League placing count not points. AVB didn't eclipse redknapp and ended up sacked. Spurs were a nothing premier league club until Redknapp took over .

Biggest bloody myth in football

Fergie would have won the league with them the year after, and probably the year after that.

Moyes did an absolutely horrific job, and I like the bloke usually.

 

[Qwerty]

Respect for what he did but well and truly tarnished with the mess he left .

And Sam has to get that respect by achieving the same as DA

 

[DrewC]

I am very worried as our finances will spell trouble with means a horrible product on the pitch....

 

[Definitely Maybe]

They were a side on their way down as everyone knew, fergie included. Don't get me wrong they should've done better than where they were but what's LVG done with an absolute boatload of cash? Fuck all!
League placing count not points. AVB didn't eclipse redknapp and ended up sacked. Spurs were a nothing premier league club until Redknapp took over .

You are arguing that British managers don't get a chance and would do better than foreign managers.

David Moyes was given the job of the reigning Premier League champions, spent £65m and was a disaster

Van Gaal took over the side that finished 7th, has spent a fortune but finished top 4 and reached a cup final

That's not to say he's did a good job or that Redknapp did a bad job

 

[Mrjardine]

I think he has a point, some foreign coaches get better jobs based on nothing. Its not that they are anti-english, just they get romanced by it

I mean how the fuck did Poyet and PDC get our job, they weren't remotely qualified

But when the suggestion last year was that we appoint Dyche, people went ape shit, they didn't when the other 2 were appointed.

He is right.



Biggest bloody myth in football

Fergie would have won the league with them the year after, and probably the year after that.

Moyes did an absolutely horrific job, and I like the bloke usually.

Ferdinand, , vidic, giggs and RVP were all on the slide and had been a massive party of Fergies success. It was another rebuilding job required. As I've said he should've done better but the spine of that team was crumbling.

 

[johnson]

Ferdinand, , vidic, giggs and RVP were all on the slide and had been a massive party of Fergies success. It was another rebuilding job required. As I've said he should've done better but the spine of that team was crumbling.

Van Persie had been there one year.

He won his last title with Evans starting. He had Smalling there too.

It wasn't a massive rebuild needed at all.

Man Utd just tried to sign names for the sake of it, he'd have won the league with the same squad, no doubt about it

Moyes did horrific, why on earth did he sign Fellani and Mata?

LVG then swapped Welbeck for Falcao and flogged Hernandez for nout.

Fergie got to the champions league with a front 3 of Rooney, Park and Nani, just 1 year before he left

Imagine if he had left that. The squad was fine, just an easy excuse for poor managers

 

[Mrjardine]

You are arguing that British managers don't get a chance and would do better than foreign managers.

David Moyes was given the job of the reigning Premier League champions, spent £65m and was a disaster

Van Gaal took over the side that finished 7th, has spent a fortune but finished top 4 and reached a cup final

That's not to say he's did a good job or that Redknapp did a bad job

British managers don't get much of a chance. Moyes didn't even get a season and was given a fraction of budget LVG has had and hasn't exactly set world slight.
Redknapp done a great job at Spurs but they weren't a top job when he took over. It's only became a top job due in no small part to the job he did.

Van Persie had been there one year.

He won his last title with Evans starting. He had Smalling there too.

It wasn't a massive rebuild needed at all.

Man Utd just tried to sign names for the sake of it, he'd have won the league with the same squad, no doubt about it

Moyes did horrific, why on earth did he sign Fellani and Mata?

LVG then swapped Welbeck for Falcao and flogged Hernandez for nout.

Fergie got to the champions league with a front 3 of Rooney, Park and Nani, just 1 year before he left

Imagine if he had left that. The squad was fine, just an easy excuse for poor managers

RVP was crocked for most of Moyes time. He only ever really had one great season at United.
Ferdinand played the majority of games in the championship season as well but he wasn't the same player season after.

 

[johnson]

British managers don't get much of a chance. Moyes didn't even get a season and was given a fraction of budget LVG has had and hasn't exactly set world slight.
Redknapp done a great job at Spurs but they weren't a top job when he took over. It's only became a top job due in no small part to the job he did.


RVP was crocked for most of Moyes time. He only ever really had one great season at United.
Ferdinand played the majority of games in the championship season as well but he wasn't the same player season after.

I know, how does that help your argument? That is my point. He did well in that last year but wasn't a big part of the legacy.

He finished 7th ffs, I don't think he could have done worse if he tried.

 

[Mrjardine]

I know, how does that help your argument? That is my point. He did well in that last year but wasn't a big part of the legacy.

He finished 7th ffs, I don't think he could have done worse if he tried.

It helps as in Fergies last season he was the key to their success. Moyes didn't have that to rely on. Couple that with Ferdinand who started the majority of games in Fergies last season being on the slide as well as vidic and giggs it was always going to be difficuilt to emulate what fergie had done. I do agree though that 7th was certainly below par but I wouldn't say the relative achievements of his successor have been that much better and he's been given two seasons now.

 

[GipseT]

He is making Sunderland a laughingstock... Look at Leicester, gone from English management with core of similar players to good mix of foreign talent.

 

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Biggest bloody myth in football

Fergie would have won the league with them the year after, and probably the year after that.

Moyes did an absolutely horrific job, and I like the bloke usually.

IMHO his biggest mistake was getting rid of the backroom team, mate.

 

[GipseT]

His obsession with clean sheets has concerned me more. It's cost us wins when we've looked comfortable. We would sit back uneccessarily and freeze. His constant ramblings to the press played there part in us dropping points.

Yes, if it doesn't change it could relegat us