Allardyce and his obsession with...

[chuckyroll]

The thing is we aren't very good though. We haven't got enough quality to keep posession hence the long diagnols to Defoe as an out ball. To me allardyce has got as much as he can from what he's working with. By keeping it tight it gives us a base and allows us to stay in games for longer. If we were more expansive we'd be long gone by now.

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[Tadger]

I think that has been a lot to do with the players shitting themselves and also being shit rather than his tactics. Many an occasion he would be screaming at them to push out and get forward and they would ignore the crap out of him or just simply be unable to do as he instructs.

This.

I've had numerous arguments over the last few months about Allardyce's "negative tactics" costing us wins when anyone can see he's urging the players to get forward. Some just can't take the blinkers off.

 

[Mowgli]

He's certainly not English. Which is what Allardyce is always moaning about.



The Dutch fella who has won several major honors all over Europe. I agree he was doing poorly here and Allardyce is doing better but it hardly proves his point about foreign coaches. I'd say compare their trophies but Allardyce hasn't won any....ever.

You've totally lose me when talking about advocaats trophies and having a pop at Sam. Advocaat was an absolutely f***ing joke of a manager for us and was absolutely clueless. No defending of him at for m, bloke has cost us big time.

 

[Nelson!]

You've totally lose me when talking about advocaats trophies and having a pop at Sam. Advocaat was an absolutely f***ing joke of a manager for us and was absolutely clueless. No defending of him at for m, bloke has cost us big time.

I'm not sure how Advocaat was even brought up on this thread. His performance here does not alter the fact he's been far more successful than Allardyce over their careers. He also kept us up, so did Poyet and so did even PDC ....remains to be seen if English BSA can manage that with arguably much more time/opportunity to do so.

The thread is about his constant belittling of foreign coaches when the evidence suggests English ones, in general, are crap.

You've totally lose me when talking about advocaats trophies and having a pop at Sam. Advocaat was an absolutely f***ing joke of a manager for us and was absolutely clueless. No defending of him at for m, bloke has cost us big time.

I'm not sure how Advocaat was even brought up on this thread. His performance here does not alter the fact he's been far more successful than Allardyce over their careers. He also kept us up, so did Poyet and so did even PDC ....remains to be seen if English BSA can manage that with arguably much more time/opportunity to do so.

The thread is about his constant belittling of foreign coaches when the evidence suggests English ones, i

I think he's got a point personally. Yes we've had some very good foreign managers over here. Mourinho, ancellotti, Wenger etc but also some f***ing awful ones as well. Gross, Ramos, Santini etc.
Going foreign is the fashionable thing to do which given so many owners are foreign is understandable but people would do well to remember the best managers we've had in this country have all been British.

Wow. First of all his point is about English coaches.

Secondly the last English coach to win the league was before the PL started over two decades ago.

Thirdly in the last twenty years (which is the era he is talking about) the best five coaches in England have been Scottish, French, Portuguese, Spanish and Italian.

I'd wager next year you can add German to that list.

Definitely not English.

 

[Eddie Hitler]

Because the penny has dropped that whereas when we brought him in as manager, he was meant to be the closest thing to a guarantee against relegation, in actual fact, we are likely to get relegated, we are playing for clean sheets when we need to win games, the team he now has is underachieving when it comes to results, his selections and substitutions are consistently shite, and his response is to focus on Crystal Palace and Rafa Benitez?



Aye, its down to Nigel Pearson getting it right, and Wenger, Mourinho, van Gaal, and Pellegrini getting it wrong.

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Its time to back the Manager/team now more than even thought, right? People slagging everything off at this time of the season when WE are needed most is f***ing barmy to say the least.

Im with BSA and anyone who isnt can go and fuck themselves as far as im concerned. More importantly, they need to stay away from the ground if all they are going to do is cause a poisonous atmosphere.

We really do have a f***ing idiot element amongst our support like.

It's fashion...

Honestly mate the f***ing sheep on here is laughable.

I think it's more to do with his obsession with not getting beat. Which is fine, but I'd rather lose 1 win 1 than draw 2.

The draws he seems to play for each week, aren't helping us at all.

Lose the 3 dms and have a crack, then I'd be off his back.

He knows what hes doing mate.... KTF

 

[yfc54]

Five of Leicester's management team are English so he might have a point

 

[hoof ball]

Big Sam is spot on. Self hating Brits should be deported.

 

[Nelson!]

Big Sam is spot on. Self hating Brits should be deported.

Any evidence that he's "spot on" or just some daft unsubstantiated opinion?

Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger, Pellegrini, Ranieri and Benitez are the evidence that he's completely wrong.

 

[Mrjardine]

I'm not sure how Advocaat was even brought up on this thread. His performance here does not alter the fact he's been far more successful than Allardyce over their careers. He also kept us up, so did Poyet and so did even PDC ....remains to be seen if English BSA can manage that with arguably much more time/opportunity to do so.

The thread is about his constant belittling of foreign coaches when the evidence suggests English ones, in general, are crap.



I'm not sure how Advocaat was even brought up on this thread. His performance here does not alter the fact he's been far more successful than Allardyce over their careers. He also kept us up, so did Poyet and so did even PDC ....remains to be seen if English BSA can manage that with arguably much more time/opportunity to do so.

The thread is about his constant belittling of foreign coaches when the evidence suggests English ones, i


Wow. First of all his point is about English coaches.

Secondly the last English coach to win the league was before the PL started over two decades ago.

Thirdly in the last twenty years (which is the era he is talking about) the best five coaches in England have been Scottish, French, Portuguese, Spanish and Italian.

I'd wager next year you can add German to that list.

Definitely not English.

English, Scottish, welsh there's no major difference there in terms of where the trades been learned and given how close fergie and Sam are id say he's quite comfortable with British managers being given a better crack of whip.
Foreign managers are the emporers new clothes and are given all the top jobs in this country so it stands to reason they will have more success. In Italy Italian mangers are given the top jobs which allows them to build a reputation abroard. Same goes for Spain. Over here it doesn't happen.

 

[Nelson!]

English, Scottish, welsh there's no major difference there in terms of where the trades been learned and given how close fergie and Sam are id say he's quite comfortable with British managers being given a better crack of whip.
Foreign managers are the emporers new clothes and are given all the top jobs in this country so it stands to reason they will have more success. In Italy Italian mangers are given the top jobs which allows them to build a reputation abroard. Same goes for Spain. Over here it doesn't happen.

Did you get all of those excuses from a UKIP forum? Whenever English people can't get jobs blame the foreigners.....not their own performance.

You can keep spouting the emperors new clothes bollocks, the facts and results are there in front of you but you'll choose not to see them and cry about how it's not fair. Which English manger do you think has performed well enough to deserve a top job?

 

[Mrjardine]

Did you get all of those excuses from a UKIP forum? Whenever English people can't get jobs blame the foreigners.....not their own performance.

You can keep spouting the emperors new clothes bollocks, the facts and results are there in front of you but you'll choose not to see them and cry about how it's not fair.

In italy and Spain they give their own lads a chance with the top jobs. Over here we don't. It's a lot easier to build a reputation when starting with Barcelona than it is doing what Allardyce has done.
What was so impressive about what guardiola had done before he got given the barca job or Enrique? Now they may well be very good managers but they've certainly been given a head start. Nobody can tell me that an English/British manager could've done any worse than AVB, Scolari, Santini, Ramos or Van Gaal.

 

[Nelson!]

In italy and Spain they give their own lads a chance with the top jobs. Over here we don't. It's a lot easier to build a reputation when starting with Barcelona than it is doing what Allardyce has done.
What was so impressive about what guardiola had done before he got given the barca job or Enrique? Now they may well be very good managers but they've certainly been given a head start. Nobody can tell me that an English/British manager could've done any worse than AVB, Scolari, Santini, Ramos or Van Gaal.

It might help for English managers to stop crying about it and actually achieve something. It's been two decades and we're still waiting.....the wolly is the best we've offered up. Stop making excuses for them.

 

[Definitely Maybe]

In italy and Spain they give their own lads a chance with the top jobs. Over here we don't. It's a lot easier to build a reputation when starting with Barcelona than it is doing what Allardyce has done.
What was so impressive about what guardiola had done before he got given the barca job or Enrique? Now they may well be very good managers but they've certainly been given a head start. Nobody can tell me that an English/British manager could've done any worse than AVB, Scolari, Santini, Ramos or Van Gaal.

You do realise that Van Gaal took over from Moyes and that Spurs two highest PL points tallies came under AVB and Pochetino, bonny lad?

 

[Nelson!]

You do realise that Van Gaal took over from Moyes and that Spurs two highest PL points tallies came under AVB and Pochetino, bonny lad?

It's pointless arguing man. With people who hold that sort of view (in football and every day life) there's no grasp of reality....just a load of excuses and bluster about it not being fair. Diddums.

 

[GK]

Another Nelson hates allardyce thread

Yawn

 

[Mrjardine]

It might help for English managers to stop crying about it and actually achieve something. It's been two decades and we're still waiting.....the wolly is the best we've offered up. Stop making excuses for them.

As I've said what had Enrique or pep achieved prior to getting the barca job? What had conte achieved before Juve came knocking? Mancini had won a cup and got inter job. Even in the secondary leagues like holland and Portugal their own get given the big clubs which helps forge a reputation.

 

[Keith S30S]

I've been doing it since long before his arrival at SAFC, to be fair.

You have and you've completely ignored the 3 excellent players he signed cheaply, who weren't on anybody elses radar and without which we'd be already down.

 

[Nelson!]

As I've said what had Enrique or pep achieved prior to getting the barca job? What had conte achieved before Juve came knocking? Mancini had won a cup and got inter job. Even in the secondary leagues like holland and Portugal their own get given the big clubs which helps forge a reputation.

My guess is that they show enough desire to get up to speed with coaching towards the end of their careers, get their licenses early and work hard to gain opportunities then prove themselves. Or maybe it's all a big., bad, conspiracy to keep English managers out of the top jobs.......yeah, that's much more likely.

 

[The Legendary Tongue]

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That would help

 

[Mrjardine]

You do realise that Van Gaal took over from Moyes and that Spurs two highest PL points tallies came under AVB and Pochetino, bonny lad?

Moyes didn't even get a full season man and didn't have the half the money to spend that LVG has had to fail to qualify for champs league. AVB took over a side that had finished 4th under Redknapp and finished 5th then got bladdered the following season. This after Redknapp had taken over a spurs side bottom of league having taken over after Ramos had made a mess of it. He also got them to quarters of champs league for good measure. Pochettino done a very good job mind.