Jermaine Defoe - Poorest signing in recent memory

[Mr.Thunders]

Here man, this thread's for taking the piss out of me and goading me.

If you want to goad Not Spavin, clear off somewhere else to do it

Hey you've got enough on your plate pal

And besides he's made himself look like more of a tit on here than you

 

[Hair Flick]

iirc Jesus turned water into wine too.

There is a theory that they were so pissed at that wedding feast that no-one could have told the difference by the time Jesus did his magic trick whether they were actually drinking wine or water.

 

[Mick Dundee]

This is up there with the @Cridge thread. Can both go Gold if we stay up please?

 

[dangermows]

@not spavin ffs

Scored some vital goals last year for us iirc.

Now how many did Jozy bag for us last season?

The internet non fan never brings up his wages either....

Please tell me its a whoosh saying Defoe is no better than Altidore. Using stats from a pub league compared to the Premier league ffs.

 

[Mr.Thunders]

@not spavin ffs



Please tell me its a whoosh saying Defoe is no better than Altidore. Using stats from a pub league compared to the Premier league ffs.

He'll claim this no doubt but look at some of his comments on this thread.Claims Defoe is "streaky",used selective stats,all just to try prove it wasnt a good bit of business to swap the players.

Clueless internet non fan

 

[Morny]

He'll claim this no doubt but look at some of his comments on this thread.Clawhile.efoe is "streaky",used selective stats,all just to try prove it wasnt a good bit of business to swap the players.

Clueless internet non fan

Tbf to him, Defoe has always been streaky at his previous clubs. Would score a batch of goals in a short burst then none for a while. Pretty reasonable statement.

And the Altidore comparison comment by him was clearly meant as a piss take

 

[chuckyroll]

Tbf to him, Defoe has always been streaky at his previous clubs. Would score a batch of goals in a short burst then none for a while. Pretty reasonable statement.

And the Altidore comparison comment by him was clearly meant as a piss take

Most top strikers do

 

[molthemackem]

See he had another one of those Crap games again

 

[Mr.Thunders]

Tbf to him, Defoe has always been streaky at his previous clubs. Would score a batch of goals in a short burst then none for a while. Pretty reasonable statement.

And the Altidore comparison comment by him was clearly meant as a piss take

The last bit aye as he's floundering.

My point is,and was,that thus far it's been a great bit of business to basically swap someome with a dreadfull record for a good one.

He cant and wont accept Congreton did one of his rare good deals.

 

[muggboots]

You did forget to mention that Jozy is currently playing in a league which Sunderland Ladies would win if they were playing blindfolded with their legs tied together, but apart from that, as you say, facts is facts.

As if you could tie their legs together.

 

[Daffy]

Tbf to him, Defoe has always been streaky at his previous clubs. Would score a batch of goals in a short burst then none for a while. Pretty reasonable statement.

And the Altidore comparison comment by him was clearly meant as a piss take

His strike rate is closer to 1 in 2 than 1 in 3
Not bad for being " streaky "

 

[Locke's SAFC]

49 games, 20 goals, 1 in 2.5 games, dreadful signing that. Bring back Graham

Top record that in a poor team not creating much. At his age as well. Really good footballer who is our biggest hope in staying up. Could be the difference between the three teams as there's not much else to choose between them.

Remember him scoring for England in Poland. Not much room, swivelled and bang top corner. Remember thinking there ain't many players who could do that with little room to use. Think he may have been seen as a bit of a problem in the dressing room because I can't see any other reason why he wouldn't have had more of a chance for England.

 

[Deano]

Anyone calling out Morny still on this thread is only making themselves look stupid. The lad held his hands up weeks ago. Don't know him from Adam in real life, but from his general posts he's forgotten more about football than half on here will ever know

 

[muggboots]

Anyone calling out Morny still on this thread is only making themselves look stupid. The lad held his hands up weeks ago. Don't know him from Adam in real life, but from his general posts he's forgotten more about football than half on here will ever know

As if that makes any difference whatsoever.

 

[Perryqhill]

Tbf to him, Defoe has always been streaky at his previous clubs. Would score a batch of goals in a short burst then none for a while. Pretty reasonable statement.
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Partly due to better 'footballers' often being preferred and him being in and out though and often only getting long runs when in top form or due to injuries, to a degree the same at Spurs with Darren Bent only he didn't stick it out. At Spurs they would generally favour Keane and Berbatov together in his early days there or at Pompey Redknapp would drop him and play Crouch up front alone against the better sides. So then people would say he wasn't scoring against the better sides, generally because he was often only brought on as a sub. In his latter days at Spurs he had to contend with Keane, Bent, Pavylchenko, Crouch, Van der Vaart (almost played as a forward behind Crouch) Adebayor and a whole host of shit signings after they sold Bale just before he left.

Just play him regularly and he's always scored. Soccerbase reckons in the league 358 starts 181 goals. That's not that streaky is it?

 

[not spavin]

His strike rate is closer to 1 in 2 than 1 in 3
Not bad for being " streaky "

This is Defoe's most consistent season for about a decade.

He's doing brilliantly well for us, having performed fitfully throughout his career in largely attack-minded teams. I didn't see it coming, because there's nothing in his track record to suggest it. No eyebrows were raised when he went to the MLS, as was a good-not-great striker very much on the wane.

Please don't take my word for it. Here's a stats-based blog written by a Spurs fan in Defoe's last season.

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[APepper8]

Surely this needs to be made gold?!

 

[not spavin]

Top record that in a poor team not creating much. At his age as well. Really good footballer who is our biggest hope in staying up. Could be the difference between the three teams as there's not much else to choose between them.

Remember him scoring for England in Poland. Not much room, swivelled and bang top corner. Remember thinking there ain't many players who could do that with little room to use. Think he may have been seen as a bit of a problem in the dressing room because I can't see any other reason why he wouldn't have had more of a chance for England.

You first paragraph is spot on, but your second paragraph is revisionist.

He didn't get selected much for England because he wasn't good enough. He's an out-and-out striker who has never been a ruthless finisher - from that link above;

"In his 57 games since the 2010/11 season, Defoe has scored 20 goals from a total of 181 shots, or a miserable one goal from every nine attempts (11%). Glenn Hoddle famously derided Andy Cole as ‘needing six or seven chances to score one goal’, a strike ratio Jermain Defoe could only dream of."

Therefore there were many, many strikers who were ahead of him during his career. I'm not sure if there's anything in the persistent accusation of Defoe being a negative dressing room influence. Seems like a model pro to me, his fitness being one of his most impressive attributes imo.

He'll claim this no doubt but look at some of his comments on this thread.Claims Defoe is "streaky",used selective stats,all just to try prove it wasnt a good bit of business to swap the players.

Clueless internet non fan

I am a superior fan to you in every respect. We both know this.

 

[Mr.Thunders]

Anyone calling out Morny still on this thread is only making themselves look stupid. The lad held his hands up weeks ago. Don't know him from Adam in real life, but from his general posts he's forgotten more about football than half on here will ever know

Clearly

 

[Perryqhill]

This is Defoe's most consistent season for about a decade.

He's doing brilliantly well for us, having performed fitfully throughout his career in largely attack-minded teams. I didn't see it coming, because there's nothing in his track record to suggest it. No eyebrows were raised when he went to the MLS, as was a good-not-great striker very much on the wane.

Please don't take my word for it. Here's a stats-based blog written by a Spurs fan in Defoe's last season.

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He actually had a purple patch just before he left for the MLS, having spent time out of the side, I think it took one or two by suprise as he still looked very sharp and up to it. He maybe like David Beckham before him thought he was on the wane, because he wasn't being played so often and people were telling him he was, just before he got regular starts again and everyone saw he wasn't.

As for the blog. Early on in it he suggests Defoe has never scored 20 PL goals as if it's some kind of defining stat (something Owen in his prime never did despite being a world class striker at the time - something we're not claiming Defoe is are we??). I find it amusing that this season Jamie Vardy has managed the feat, given his career so far - what exactly does it tell us? Well Defoe has only once ever played a full 38 game PL season once (as a youngster at West Ham) and on seven occasions has he played 34 PL games or more. Given that over a quarter of his PL games have come as a sub it's unlikey he's ever had close to a full season at Spurs as a starter to achieve that.

I certainly don't think it's a great article or even balanced. He manages to compare the likes of Bent scoring 20 goals here more favourably, without mentioning that Bent struggled for form when in the same situation Defoe found himself in at Spurs - behind Keane and Berbatov, two better players and struggling for regular starts. He also compares to Adebayor who done it once in a free scoring Arsenal side when Cesc Fabregas was at his absolute best or even Andy Johnson who's 20 goals consisted of IIRC 11 penalties.

The article doesn't show that he's become more consistent here, it's just a moan at him from fans who believe they deserve to be winning the league every season and had become used to him being there and scoring goals that a complacency towards him had taken over. The stats show here and at Pompey and when he played regularly at Spurs that he's always scored regularly.