Why?

[castoff]

Unlike the Mags and contrary to what is said on here, we accept a hell of a lot of shit. We are probably seen as a decent bet for players wanting a good wage, to play in front of a big crowd and not to be expected to graft too hard these days.

This, if anything our fans have been too loyal over the years (if there's such a thing) and accepting being also rans now seems to be in our DNA. For as long as I can remember, we've been too much of a push over when trying to hold on to talent and wholly accomodating when accepting has been's and average Joe's. I also think the loan system has a lot to answer for as we nearly always have to rebuild at the start of every season and never have a settled side. I also think the loan system maintains the gap between the top 6 and the rest of the league because as long as we are all happy to take players for a season's loan, they are still owned by the big boys. If the system was scrapped and Premier league sides were not allowed to bring players in on loan (from anywhere). Then the top teams would find it harder to hold onto the likes of Lukaku, Borini, Rose etc. and eventually these players would trickle down to other teams in the league and thus, the league would become more competitive. And before you say it, I accept Borini and Ki have been a success for us this season but I'm trying to look at the big picture here. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Sneech]

In all parts of the country.

Yup

 

[stevie-wonder]

Stop being an idiot..
Roy Keane told us players wouldnt move here because of our location,its a problem,always has been,always will be...
As stated we have to pay bigger wages in the NE to get the better players to come..

An idiot eh, ` Roy Keane told us ..`

Location is not the problem, Leeds, ideal location bang slap in the middle of the country, but an absolute shambles of a club due to piss poor management, something we have had for donkeys years. Owners im talking about , not team managers before you call me an idiot again.

 

[Teed]

There's always been a drink culture in football tbf Teed.

I know mate, the sad part is, most other clubs have managed to keep it under wraps, the first thing Wenger did when he joined Arsenal was shut the players bar and sort out the drink and drug problem a lot of other premier clubs followed him, we unfortunately, are stuck back in the dark days, probably the clubs shit frightened to ruffle the feathers of out high flying stars.

 

[andymcnish]

Why is this happening again?
After 77,85,87,91,97,03 and 05, why are we going to be relegated again ( 90% chance in my opinion)?
What is it about SAFC that makes us so f***ing shit?
Some blame the fans, noticeably non attendees on here, but that is nonsense.
Location? The vermin up the road manage to overcome this and Boro signed world stars.
It is the mentality of the club as a whole?
What is the answer and why does this keep repeating itself? I simply haven't a clue what it is but like many others, I want someone or something to blame. But right now, I cannot think what....

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Why do you think we have some sort of divine right not to be relegated?

There are half a dozen teams with years of success and loads of money that guarantee they will be in the top half of the Prem:
City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs.
Everton also seem to be an ever present in the top half.

After that literally everyone (including us) can get relegated in any season if things don't go their way.

The things that's surprising is that we haven't gone down recently not that we might this season...

 

[Mackem00]

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Why do you think we have some sort of divine right not to be relegated?

There are half a dozen teams with years of success and loads of money that guarantee they will be in the top half of the Prem:
City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs.
Everton also seem to be an ever present in the top half.

After that literally everyone (including us) can get relegated in any season if things don't go their way.

The things that's surprising is that we haven't gone down recently not that we might this season...

Fair point.

 

[DPTT]

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Why do you think we have some sort of divine right not to be relegated?

There are half a dozen teams with years of success and loads of money that guarantee they will be in the top half of the Prem:
City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs.
Everton also seem to be an ever present in the top half.

After that literally everyone (including us) can get relegated in any season if things don't go their way.

The things that's surprising is that we haven't gone down recently not that we might this season...

I don't think many supporters do think we have a divine right to be in the Premier League though. I would say from my age (40) upwards we have seen the same mis-management for years, we are like daft hamsters in that we make the same stupid mistakes year after year. We seem to have a chairman with the best interests who is not some foreign maniac like that cock at Cardiff but we still seem to be completely at a loss on how to progress.

 

[deleted user 785]

We've struggled for 60 year not 4 and all those seasons (apart from a few) have been exactly the same scenario, after a while you start to look for reasons, it's not because the club haven't tried they have, it's not all down to poor players though we've had our share and it's not all down to bad luck, but one thing I know for certain, is! there's always been a drink culture at both north east clubs
and I know some players over the years have come here to put their feet up, in this day and age where money is sloshing about in the game, player don't even have to play for their win bonus, it matters not to them, the players have proved the can play to an high standard, the cup run alone proves that, what they can't do, is get out of the lazy way's they enjoy and that's why the performances are all over the place, they can't stay focused, the players come here to flog it off, not to graft and they enjoy the high wage we had to pay to attract them here in the first place, it's not rocket science, they are human beings and if they can get away with it they will.

I meant with the current players, obviously.

 

[PatsyMackem]

We've struggled for 60 year not 4 and all those seasons (apart from a few) have been exactly the same scenario, after a while you start to look for reasons, it's not because the club haven't tried they have, it's not all down to poor players though we've had our share and it's not all down to bad luck, but one thing I know for certain, is! there's always been a drink culture at both north east clubs
and I know some players over the years have come here to put their feet up, in this day and age where money is sloshing about in the game, player don't even have to play for their win bonus, it matters not to them, the players have proved the can play to an high standard, the cup run alone proves that, what they can't do, is get out of the lazy way's they enjoy and that's why the performances are all over the place, they can't stay focused, the players come here to flog it off, not to graft and they enjoy the high wage we had to pay to attract them here in the first place, it's not rocket science, they are human beings and if they can get away with it they will.

Even if there is a drink culture and Cattermole and Bardsley are supposedly the main culprits, it seems strange that those two have been our two better performers this season, showing heart and not a little skill.
How does that work then?

 

[Sneech]

I know mate, the sad part is, most other clubs have managed to keep it under wraps, the first thing Wenger did when he joined Arsenal was shut the players bar and sort out the drink and drug problem a lot of other premier clubs followed him, we unfortunately, are stuck back in the dark days, probably the clubs shit frightened to ruffle the feathers of out high flying stars.

I don't think we are any worse than other teams, there were only ever three or four supposed boozers at our club, by the law of averages pretty much every club will have something like that I would have thought.

 

[Teed]

I meant with the current players, obviously.

Like I said, it makes no difference, it's the exact same scenario, change the players, the manager, the owner, the stadium, the recruitment system, it's the same.

 

[FC United of Manchester]

No doubt the region does play a part but (for me) it's simply a case of too many managers in recent years.

That's not to say you were wrong to sack them but when you have a high turnover of managers you end up with a load of players on the books who don't fit the current managers vision and style which hinders the incumbent boss.

 

[Teed]

Even if there is a drink culture and Cattermole and Bardsley are supposedly the main culprits, it seems strange that those two have been our two better performers this season, showing heart and not a little skill.
How does that work then?

How long do they keep that level of performance up though?

 

[PatsyMackem]

How long do they keep that level of performance up though?

At least both of them have shown some form this season, more than many others.

 

[Teed]

I don't think we are any worse than other teams, there were only ever three or four supposed boozers at our club, by the law of averages pretty much every club will have something like that I would have thought.

I'm not talking about a few boozers Sneech, all clubs have players that like a drink and in moderation that's fine, I'm talking about a different level, remember the pictures of Fletcher on the piss? that's not a few beers mate, that's serious drinking, fine if you work for a living, not if you have to compete with athletes week in week out.[DOUBLEPOST=1395843567][/DOUBLEPOST]

At least both of them have shown some form this season, more than many others.

Handful of games each man and that's only if you believe they were our best performers, I don't by the way.

 

[TheShaunIdentity]

Bad decisions at every level of the club.

Sold best players, replaced them with lesser quality, cheaper alternatives, or not replaced at all.

Bad managergial decisions.

Bruce's summer window of Larson, Gardner and co..

Di Fanti

etc.. etc..

 

[Sneech]

I'm not talking about a few boozers Sneech, all clubs have players that like a drink and in moderation that's fine, I'm talking about a different level, remember the pictures of Fletcher on the piss? that's not a few beers mate, that's serious drinking, fine if you work for a living, not if you have to compete with athletes week in week out

I'm sure that some clubs have some massive pisspots, we have a handful including Fletcher, or so I'm led to believe, I'd expect other clubs to have a similar number give or take.

 

[CraigyLee]

In 2010/11 season we were in a position to push on... We had finished 10th

We had a midfield that included malbranque sess zenden Henderson Welbeck and f***ing hell even Muntari ... Bent a vital cog admittedly left but for a good wedge a solid foundation to move forward

The following season we dismantled that midfield and spunked money and wages on Vaughan Larsson Gardner Wickham and Ji to replace them ... 3 relegated players and 2 kids who were nowhere near ready to replace Bent.

Gyan then fucked off and we replaced him with Bendtner on loan.

That transfer window crippled us . It took a team that had a huge amount of experience of this league mixed in with pacey , young hungry players fucked them off and left us with one paced championship cloggers

Since then each window has got progressively worse

The majority of the players signed that year are still here and over the course of 3 years have resulted in same sub standard performances...

Our fate this season rests on these journeymen who have only a couple of months left at this club and 2
loan players why would they put 100% effort into keeping this club up when they won't be here next season...

 

[TimBirch]

I personally think we lack ambition. Wether it be in looking to sign players or, keeping them when others come knocking.

When we are in the market for a player it never seems to be a player we all agree is quality, once or twice we will have sure but, for the most part we either never even compete or accept defeat far to easily.

Same as managers, when is the last time we aggressively pursued a manager doing well at another club?

When was the last time we went after a teams best player? Or a highly sort after player? I recall CW bring one but how many others?

Our lack of ambition in the transfer market, wether managers or playing is shocking.

Out of interest, when was the last time we actually poached a manager doing well?

As a rule, we deep fry managers...................

 

[Az*]

As a rule, we deep fry managers...................

Not far from the truth tbf