Why?

[The Bridge Lad]

Do we?

Aye.
Palace

Chelsea H
Cardiff A
Villa H
Everton A
West Ham A
Man City H
Liverpool H
Fulham A

Their home and away form is like chalk and cheese - they are so poor away (ours at least is consistent). Had their home and away games been the other way round then I would have been worried, but they face the 3 title challengers at home, and only Villa at home is a game they might be favourites in. If Cardiff, Fulham and Hammers were at home, they might be targeting 6-7 points, at least our 'write offs' are away from home.

Palace would love to have west brom, west ham, swansea and Cardiff at home.

Their home compared to away is:
6W 2D 7L vs 2W 2D 11L - a big contrast.

 

[deleted user 785]

No, but would you put your reputation on the line and recommend someone for a post you think they might fuck up? international managers tend to look for candidates the think can do a job, that gives a player a sort of pedigree and that's the point I was making. these players aren't shit, you may think they are, but football people (professionals in the game) don't, that's why football fans called Henderson shit, yet do they call him that now? the vast majority of fans know fuck all about pro football.

I don't think they are shit, just not good enough. Us struggling for the best part of 4 year suggests that's true.

 

[WHD]

Aye.
Palace

Chelsea H
Cardiff A
Villa H
Everton A
West Ham A
Man City H
Liverpool H
Fulham A

Their home and away form is like chalk and cheese - they are so poor away (ours at least is consistent). Had their home and away games been the other way round then I would have been worried, but they face the 3 title challengers at home, and only Villa at home is a game they might be favourites in. If Cardiff, Fulham and Hammers were at home, they might be targeting 6-7 points, at least our 'write offs' are away from home.

Palace would love to have west brom, west ham, swansea and Cardiff at home.

Their home compared to away is:
6W 2D 7L vs 2W 2D 11L - a big contrast.

Palace's run includes 6 teams we have to play also, and they have 3 more points than us. I would say that gives them the advantage.

 

[Statto Junkie]

Who's done that? And by the way, all right Steve, looking forward to the hotdogs on Wembley way?

Edit: We are much closer in size to both Everton & Spurs than we are to Harrogate Town, so while I wouldn't compare us to any of these, it is not just as ridiculous.

"Who's done that?" - loads man, on here constantly.

Yes, we're closer to Everton/Spurs than Harrogate.

 

[SurreyMackem]

It all boils down to money or lack of.

Although we have a rich owner he isn't putting enough money in and we aren't big enough to compete with the big clubs on our income alone.

The big clubs earn over £200M a season we are down at the £60m end.

Ok that should be enough to keep us mid table but that still means that we are only one bad season away from relegation.

 

[stevie-wonder]

When was the last time you were in Liverpool mate? It was European Capital Of Culture in 2008. Having said that, every major city in the UK has it's areas of shitholes, usually on the outskirts. Like you, I think that the area doesn't enter into the equation. If the wages are 'right', then that in itself will attract quality players. Liverpool is a prime example.

Last time probably 6 or 7 year back, its probably because I used to deliver to housing estates rather than visit museums and frequent wine bars but I find the place miserable , with an edgy feel to it , I don't buy into this Capital of Culture bollocks either, Hull is the next UK one isn't it? Hull ffs, Easington has more culture.

 

[The Bridge Lad]

Palace's run includes 6 teams we have to play also, and they have 3 more points than us. I would say that gives them the advantage.

Yup and if we had chel, tott ,mancs and liver all at home and the others away instead then I would be really worried. We undoubtedly have the better run in. We can sack all our away games off and concentrate on the homes and still have enough. Palace are terrible away and all their games you think they have a chance in are away. Don't underestimate the important of home and away games, especially in palaces case, maybe not ours as we have won equal games, but 90% of the clubs in the league fair better at home. Its just man uniteds that is clearly the other way.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Unlike the Mags and contrary to what is said on here, we accept a hell of a lot of shit. We are probably seen as a decent bet for players wanting a good wage, to play in front of a big crowd and not to be expected to graft too hard these days.

 

[stevie-wonder]

Its in the centre of the country,not to far from london,not to far from anywhere,this matters alot.
We are not,this is a problem..and Liverpool is probably a poor example considering there history..
Think Stoke..Crouch picked them over us..

Its a 4 hour drive from London? Sunderland is a 5 hour drive.

It aint anything to do with that, if SAFC moved to London, flattened Buckingham Palace and built a stadium on the site we would still manage to be shite and get relegated.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Ravenelli was on £60k p/w 15 years ago. The mags overpaid for stars anarl. All 3 big NE Clubs need to overpay due to location and yo-yo history.

Personally I wanted SAFC to attempt to achieve what Boro did and what the mags nearly (thank fk) did - if it results in Finals and Europe. Now I think FFP has stopped wu ever doing this.

We're close to being exactly where Boro are now but without a Cup win or Europe.

Which is precisely why I said I'd have swapped their recent history for ours earlier in the season. I'll probably never get to experience what they have but, as sure as eggs is eggs, will what they are experiencing now, at some point in the future..

 

[Lewberry pie]

there's nothing magic about it, we get relegated because we're so good at getting promoted, our fan base helps us in the championship but has less impact in the premier league, although our fans will continue to become less important as the championship is filled with foreign owners.

look at Bournemouth, Southampton, Wigan, Swansea, Cardiff etc.

It will become harder and harder as wealthy owners nullify our natural wealth from fans.

 

[big les]

Its a 4 hour drive from London? Sunderland is a 5 hour drive.

It aint anything to do with that, if SAFC moved to London, flattened Buckingham Palace and built a stadium on the site we would still manage to be shite and get relegated.

Stop being an idiot..
Roy Keane told us players wouldnt move here because of our location,its a problem,always has been,always will be...
As stated we have to pay bigger wages in the NE to get the better players to come..

 

[Az*]

Its a 4 hour drive from London? Sunderland is a 5 hour drive.

It aint anything to do with that, if SAFC moved to London, flattened Buckingham Palace and built a stadium on the site we would still manage to be shite and get relegated.

I laughed, but that would probably happen

 

[Statto Junkie]

Which is precisely why I said I'd have swapped their recent history for ours earlier in the season. I'll probably never get to experience what they have but, as sure as eggs is eggs, will what they are experiencing now, at some point in the future..

Can't believe there seems so few of us to agree on this.

As you say, this year or next or 5/10 years we WILL be relegated.

I was too young to remember '73 and, given that I followed The Lads in the 3rd Division, I'd swap the shit now for a shit-or-bust Pompey Cup win and subsequent downfall.

In fact, fk it - I'd take a Cup win and Europe even if it meant we go bust!.... "Aye, I was there 30-40 years ago when Sunderland had a pro team, won a Cup and played in Europe!!" Now that's summit to talk about not, "Eeeee, ah remember when wu stopped up 7 years on the trot" FFS!

 

[TopCat]

Ellis Short - since he gained full ownership of the club he has overseen the systematic dismantling of the squad, replacing the quality (Bent, Gyan, Zenden, Malbranque, Mignolet, Henderson, Mensah, Richardson) with durdge (Wickham, Graham, Larsson, Gardner, Vaughan, McClean, Giaccherini, Cuellar, Saha, McFadden, Roberge, Cabral, Diakite, Celustka, Dossena)

The fans don't help - very little atmosphere, very little patience and lots of negativity, but having seen yet another false dawn can you really blame them?

 

[Ricci's Special Kebabs]

Last time probably 6 or 7 year back, its probably because I used to deliver to housing estates rather than visit museums and frequent wine bars but I find the place miserable , with an edgy feel to it , I don't buy into this Capital of Culture bollocks either, Hull is the next UK one isn't it? Hull ffs, Easington has more culture.

If you go to Liverpool now it's actually a fantastic looking city in the centre. It's been completely modernised.

 

[Teed]

I don't think they are shit, just not good enough. Us struggling for the best part of 4 year suggests that's true.

We've struggled for 60 year not 4 and all those seasons (apart from a few) have been exactly the same scenario, after a while you start to look for reasons, it's not because the club haven't tried they have, it's not all down to poor players though we've had our share and it's not all down to bad luck, but one thing I know for certain, is! there's always been a drink culture at both north east clubs
and I know some players over the years have come here to put their feet up, in this day and age where money is sloshing about in the game, player don't even have to play for their win bonus, it matters not to them, the players have proved the can play to an high standard, the cup run alone proves that, what they can't do, is get out of the lazy way's they enjoy and that's why the performances are all over the place, they can't stay focused, the players come here to flog it off, not to graft and they enjoy the high wage we had to pay to attract them here in the first place, it's not rocket science, they are human beings and if they can get away with it they will.

 

[Mackem00]

No, but would you put your reputation on the line and recommend someone for a post you think they might fuck up? international managers tend to look for candidates the think can do a job, that gives a player a sort of pedigree and that's the point I was making. these players aren't shit, you may think they are, but football people (professionals in the game) don't, that's why football fans called Henderson shit, do they call him that now? the vast majority of fans know fuck all about pro football.

Some did. Just like some so-called experts did.

 

[Sneech]

We've struggled for 60 year not 4 and all those seasons (apart from a few) have been exactly the same scenario, after a while you start to look for reasons, it's not because the club haven't tried they have, it's not all down to poor players though we've had our share and it's not all down to bad luck, but one thing I know for certain, is! there's always been a drink culture at both north east clubs
and I know some players over the years have come here to put their feet up, in this day and age where money is sloshing about in the game, player don't even have to play for their win bonus, it matters not to them, the players have proved the can play to an high standard, the cup run alone proves that, what they can't do, is get out of the lazy way's they enjoy and that's why the performances are all over the place, they can't stay focused, the players come here to flog it off, not to graft and they enjoy the high wage we had to pay to attract them here in the first place, it's not rocket science, they are human beings and if they can get away with it they will.

There's always been a drink culture in football tbf Teed.

 

[Mackem00]

There's always been a drink culture in football tbf Teed.

In all parts of the country.