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Neither a top coaching badge, experience as a top player or well organised regime help you to manage people. The first thing you need is empathy and humility. PDC seemingly had neither and just to rub salt in the wounds, he couldn't get results either.

I suspect Di Canio has learned nothing from this debacle.
 

Perryqhill said:
Dear God. You're continually ignoring how Ferguson disagrees with you on a few key issues here. If I'm patronising, it's because you're obviously f***ing ignoring it and then repeating what you've already said.

As for the first line there, you've completely taken those two things out of context to suit your argument. He said he would point out players mistakes in the dressing room after a game, nothing wrong with that, but he also said then they'd move on. Notice in the dressing room, not in aftermatch interviews?

He also said "You can't ever lose control – not when you are dealing with 30 top professionals who are all millionaires. If they misbehave, we fine them, but we keep it indoors." Indoors there, see it? You can't lose control, see that too?

"I was vey agressive all those years ago." See the past tense to that quote?

He's talking about management techniques to Harvard University, modern footballers and managing them, not just ones who are top of the league ffs.
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It's all talk after the event. Because Ferguson did lose control, which is well documented, and Man Utd were winning things at that time.

All very well talking about not losing control when in actual fact you did in well documented occasions.

My original point was that Ferguson did not suffer sub-standard performances, the players were on the receiving end and Man Utd won things in that period - my original point being that his players took the beating and got on with winning trophies; our players won't take the beating and get on with being 20th in the league. You can post as many comments on Ferguson's end of career philosophy, but during his management days he took no bollocks, let the players know about it - and won things.
 
Very strange as there is quite a few people on various threads stating how much of a good decision it is sacking PDC, yet were arguing with those of us who said he was a terrible choice right from the very start.
 
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He was a monster at a similar age. People learn and at some point we have to. One of these days we have to allow someone time enough to make their mark at the club. I'm not even suggesting this should be Di Canio as he wasn't here long enough to suss either way. All I'm saying is at some f***ing point we have to see it through. No doubt Lerner was shitting himself seeing his record buy sat in the stands as they were being humped sixes and eights but at least he had the balls to stiff it out.
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Villa have lost 3 in 5 this season. They could very well have another stinker.
 
YorkMackem said:
Neither a top coaching badge, experience as a top player or well organised regime help you to manage people. The first thing you need is empathy and humility. PDC seemingly had neither and just to rub salt in the wounds, he couldn't get results either.

I suspect Di Canio has learned nothing from this debacle.
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Was Sir Alex Ferguson known to practice empathy and humility? How about Cloughie? Mourinho?
 
The times out of number that I've read on here, you must support the team, you mustn't boo, you would never boo, you are condemning these players without being in full knowledge of the facts. The most obvious fact is that apart from the regime, they were hangtied by Di Canio's tactics, which, quite simply didn't work, It's significant to me that the only Premier League wins came at the very beginning before his message was totally absorbed. Villa got the message though and Sunderland never won again. Don't mention the MK Dons fiasco.
 
Northern Munkey said:
Very strange as there is quite a few people on various threads stating how much of a good decision it is sacking PDC, yet were arguing with those of us who said he was a terrible choice right from the very start.
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I was not in favour of di Canio. Don't like his theatre style.

But, what is annoying here is that the blame for our current plight is not being laid at the door of the players. These players have refused to accept they need a dressing down. Refused to take the beating on the chin as a result of the failure they have achieved; and instead went oevr the manager's head to get a man sacked who won't accept their excuses.
 
---Nemo--- said:
He was a monster at a similar age. People learn and at some point we have to. One of these days we have to allow someone time enough to make their mark at the club. I'm not even suggesting this should be Di Canio as he wasn't here long enough to suss either way. All I'm saying is at some f***ing point we have to see it through. No doubt Lerner was shitting himself seeing his record buy sat in the stands as they were being humped sixes and eights but at least he had the balls to stiff it out.
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Appreciate that you said that you weren't even suggesting it should be PDC, but the difference is that Lambert's managerial record shits all over Di Canio's. He'd had a decent record without a great deal of resources at Colchester and Wycombe, before spending fuck-all taking a Norwich side that was on its knees to successive promotions and Premier League survival. He wasn't going about alienating people with completely demented shit, but realised he had to ruffle a few feathers in his own way.

For all I've disagreed with everything you've said over the last few days, I think that, on reflection, you're more right than I appreciated about having to smash some sense into the players we've got. But PDC was never the man to do that, or anything else, and it absolutely baffles me that anyone (fuck it if this sounds patronising or slimy, let alone someone like you, who's always struck me as one of the best posters on here by a long way) ever thought he was. And I think a softly-spoken, thoughtful bloke like Lambert is the exemplar here: only Nixon could go to China, and all that, and some bloke who (I'm sick of saying) came across as a total arsehole on an ego trip probably isn't the man to do it. I think his fascism is probably more instructive about his failings than a lot of people ever accepted.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
I was not in favour of di Canio. Don't like his theatre style.

But, what is annoying here is that the blame for our current plight is not being laid at the door of the players. These players have refused to accept they need a dressing down. Refused to take the beating on the chin as a result of the failure they have achieved; and instead went oevr the manager's head to get a man sacked who won't accept their excuses.
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Why would you take the word of one person over the squad and AOL staff?

The love affair some fans have with this bloke is amazing.
 
I have a feeling that they both knew when to put his arm around someone and when to get the hair dryer out. Saying one thing to the group in the dressing room and then getting individuals to one side afterwards.

MoN was known for making players want to please him with good performances. Unfortunately for whatever reason he seemed to be washed up or too distracted by outside matters to make it with us and also out of touch with modern coaching.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
It's all talk after the event. Because Ferguson did lose control, which is well documented, and Man Utd were winning things at that time.

All very well talking about not losing control when in actual fact you did in well documented occasions.

My original point was that Ferguson did not suffer sub-standard performances, the players were on the receiving end and Man Utd won things in that period - my original point being that his players took the beating and got on with winning trophies; our players won't take the beating and get on with being 20th in the league. You can post as many comments on Ferguson's end of career philosophy, but during his management days he took no bollocks, let the players know about it - and won things.
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We're not talking about lose control in terms of your temper though on a one off basis for a particular reason in a heated moment, we're talking being in actual control, having that respect and authority, enough so you can go overboard on occasions and still retain it. There's never been anything in Di Canio's career as a manager here or at Swindon or even as a player and his numerous bust ups to suggest control is even in his nature. He's just wayward and out of control, that's why everything he does gets cut short and comes to an abrupt end. His emotions and ego gets the better of his brain.

And you final sentence there just ignores what Fergie has been telling you and everyone else about modern football,, you seemingly just dont get it. No ones saying he was a walkover, far from it. Discipline is key, but it's how you enforce it and manage footballer, he even tells you shouting and screaming all the time wont work and you're just not listening to him....
 
Locke's SAFC said:
I was not in favour of di Canio. Don't like his theatre style.

But, what is annoying here is that the blame for our current plight is not being laid at the door of the players. These players have refused to accept they need a dressing down. Refused to take the beating on the chin as a result of the failure they have achieved; and instead went oevr the manager's head to get a man sacked who won't accept their excuses.
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The players are to blame for performances they themselves put out. PDC was at fault for the low morale, baffling team selection and tactics and an complete unwillingness to compromise.

Professionalism, from him... Don't make me laugh.
 
Locke's SAFC said:
I was not in favour of di Canio. Don't like his theatre style.

But, what is annoying here is that the blame for our current plight is not being laid at the door of the players. These players have refused to accept they need a dressing down. Refused to take the beating on the chin as a result of the failure they have achieved; and instead went oevr the manager's head to get a man sacked who won't accept their excuses.
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Ultimately the players actions yesterday have made us look stupid. We are now the club that sacks a manager after 5 games.
 
smoker said:
Why would you take the word of one person over the squad and AOL staff?

The love affair some fans have with this bloke is amazing.
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No love affair from me.

Didn't want the bloke here in the first place - see my posts when he was being appointed - don't like his theatre style with the orchestrating the crowd - see posts from months ago.

But what I think is wrong is players who are 20th in the league feeling they are being victimised because he's laying into them. Some of these players lie around in money in casinos, damage cars and go on the piss during the week. That's how much respect they have for us punters who help to pay their wags. So, Di Canio called them a pack of useless ***** - good, they are. Bout time someone said sub-standard performances just aren't good enough.[DOUBLEPOST=1379964408][/DOUBLEPOST]
Perryqhill said:
We're talking being in actual control, having that respect and authority
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Right, these same players who leak stories to the press about diet regimes - other clubs' players just get on with it - look at Arsenal and Wenger.

The difference is that Arsenal players wanted to win things and so listened to their manager. Our players don't want to win things they want to challenge the manager's authority and then cry victimisation.
 
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Kauto Star said:
Ultimately the players actions yesterday have made us look stupid. We are now the club that sacks a manager after 5 games.
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Few pundits, journalists and fans of other clubs have questioned our decision to sack him. He was widely recognised as a bit of a nut job and unlikely to stay the course. The stupidity was in appointing him.
 
I was chuffed to bits when we got him, I thought he was a manager with personality and character that was different from the merry go round managers so I'm gutted it didn't work out. It's obvious the players need to take some responsibility but having been in a position at work where I had to go above my managers head because of the way I was being treated I know what it's like to work in a horrible situation with a control freak as a manager.

And yes we know they earn 1000's but they are still human and so being managed by an over controlling regime will still impact on them, it would be impossible for it not to.

It's clear that what's happened has polarised opinion between those who agree he should have gone and those that think the players attitude stinks and that's understandable. Personally I think neither PDC nor the players comes out of it well, but regardless of opinions it's done and all we can do is get on with it and support our club!
 
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