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But coke stays in the system longer than alcohol. You can tell when someone has had a drink at work but coke is less transparent. I really can't believe anyone could make an argument to legalise cocaine.

Heres one, the f***ing idiot....


Four decades ago, Richard Nixon was casting around for a new enemy to shore up support for his unique brand of uncompassionate conservatism. Having risen to national prominence as an anti-communist campaigner, then turned his attention to crime, he found a new foe in the counterculture.
The media were full of stories of clean-cut young men returning from Vietnam as wrecked junkies, while intellectuals such as Timothy Leary were promoting the use of LSD. So Nixon, elected on a wafer-thin margin and desperate to turn back the tide of permissiveness, declared war on drugs. “America’s public enemy number one is drug abuse,” he thundered.
While the Vietnam conflict has faded into history, thousands are dying and millions of lives are still being destroyed in his insane struggle. Fittingly, since it was launched by a president who turned out to be a crook, the biggest beneficiaries have been the most murderous gangsters on the globe as they rip apart country after country. Yet our leaders limp on in this self-defeating, $100bn-a-year war. Last week saw the latest salvo in the struggle when a host of distinguished names gathered under the banner of the Global Commission on Drug Policy to urge a truce. Their thoughtful report pointed out a series of obvious truths underlying how the war backfired so terribly and called for policies based on treatment rather than prosecution.
Look at the rise in drug use. In 1998, the United Nations committed member states to achieve a “drug-free world”, pledging to eliminate or “significantly reduce” use of opium, cannabis and cocaine by 2008. Instead, global opiate use rose by more than one-third over that time, with big rises also for cocaine and cannabis. It is estimated almost 5% of the world’s adults take illegal drugs.
Worse is the damage done by gangs fighting over the huge profits created by the illegality of this trade. We have all heard tales of headless bodies littering the landscape of Mexico. But the world’s most violent region away from active war zones is further south – Guatemala and Honduras, for instance, both have more murders than the 27 countries of the European Union combined. Now the cancer is working its way through west Africa.
The trade is so lucrative that in several countries – some signed up to those sanctimonious UN pledges – drug gangs have bought or fought their way to power. Kosovo has a prime minister linked to drug smuggling, as are the leaders of Afghanistan, Burma, Guinea, Nicaragua and Venezuela. Then there are cases such as South Africa, where the police chief turned out to be the head of a crime syndicate.
There are so many arguments against current policies it is hard to believe anyone who is not stoned still signs up to Nixon’s war. The vast costs, the crime waves, the racial dimensions, the stigmatisation, the futility. Then there is the dreadful hypocrisy of politicians who use and tax the lethal drug of alcohol then jail others who enjoy less damaging relaxants such as marijuana and ecstasy.
The key question is why? After all, we live in a world in which grandparents took acid or smoked pot while listening to the Grateful Dead and many parents were the people who dropped ecstasy at outdoor raves. The current occupant of the White House has confessed to taking cocaine, while several of our cabinet ministers admitted smoking weed. Drug use is no longer that big a deal, while it is clear many of the problems and much of the misery are byproducts of banning.
The Global Commission is a valiant effort, but it is noticeable that signatories include 11 former presidents, politicians and diplomats, but just one in office – the Greek prime minister, who presumably needs any extra revenue he can find. This is the fundamental problem: serving politicians lack the bottle to take the obvious remedial actions.
As the report rightly states: “Political leaders and public figures should have the courage to articulate publicly what many acknowledge privately: that the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates repressive strategies will not solve the drug problem and the war on drugs cannot be won.”
This failure of nerve is particularly acute in Britain. One cabinet minister who has admitted smoking cannabis in his youth said politicians were scared to act, despite knowing they should, since they would be slaughtered by rivals and the media for every drug-related death following liberalisation. “You may think it is absurd regulation and it may cost more lives but deregulation is impossible in our political climate.”
Sadly, he is right. Witness the infantile response – especially from local Labour parties, as the campaign group Transform will testify – to any politician standing for election who has dared suggest saner drug laws. They should listen to the admirable Bob Ainsworth, who had a Damascene conversion while a home office minister: “The public are in a far more progressive place on this issue than most politicians and sections of the press.”
Recent polling proves he is correct. One survey last year found 70% of Britons favoured the regulated sale of cannabis, with smaller majorities supporting legally available heroin, ecstasy and cocaine. Curiously, the groups most in favour were Conservative voters, middle-aged women and readers of mid-market tabloids. And just think how tax proceeds would help the public spending crisis.
Politicians say they fear drug use would rise if prohibition is lifted. Evidence from abroad shows they are wrong. Look at Scandinavia, where the tough Swedes and more liberal Norwegians have similar addiction rates. Or Switzerland, where heroin demand and crime fell sharply following new policies based on public health rather than legality. Or Portugal, where heroin use fell by half after decriminalisation.
These are places where there have been tentative steps forward. There are even signs the US, which remains the bastion of bigotry on this issue, is slightly shifting its stance under Barack Obama. It has, for example, permitted its blood-soaked neighbour Mexico to loosen cannabis laws.
Meanwhile, the tone of debate in Britain serves only to highlight the immaturity of our public discourse, with too many politicians lost in the fog of this foolhardy war. So here is a suggestion for our three main party leaders, who are all young enough to know better: why not hoist the white flag and work out a unified way to end a struggle that does so much more harm than good?
The alternative is to carry on fighting like generals in the First World War, ignoring the deaths, the devastation and the wastelands created around the world in a battle than can never be won.
 

Being decent lads, they'll be selling ethically sourced crack, grown by Fair Trade cocaine farmers, paid a decent living wage then? And, of course, they'll be making sure that nobody was murdered in its production?

:lol::lol:
 
Dont know why anyone would want to do drugs?
Im sure the said druggies on here are quite responsible in their habit (or former) but druggies ive had contact with are for the most part Bellends! Why would you want to shove a needle in you or snort chemicals is beyond me?
 
Dont know why anyone would want to do drugs?
Im sure the said druggies on here are quite responsible in their habit (or former) but druggies ive had contact with are for the most part Bellends! Why would you want to shove a needle in you or snort chemicals is beyond me?

Have you never drank to get drunk?

I have, I like the way it feels.
 
Again the only defence for drug use is......alcohol.
Two wrongs do make a right eh?
 
Again the only defence for drug use is......alcohol.
Two wrongs do make a right eh?

The only real argument against it seems to be that it's illegal.

So you think alcohol is safer than drugs like LSD etc' despite the reports featured in the Lancet etc'?

I'm not talking about hard drugs really, like heroin. They are truly dangerous. I just don't get why people make such a distinction between alcohol and something like acid.
 
So your original point regarding coke and the bus driver isn't either here nor their because the risk is current now.

No. I said I'd hope that anyone responsible for the safety of others should be hungover at work. If this isn't implemented I want to know why.
 
The only real argument against it seems to be that it's illegal.

So you think alcohol is safer than drugs like LSD etc' despite the reports featured in the Lancet etc'?

I'm not talking about hard drugs really, like heroin. They are truly dangerous. I just don't get why people make such a distinction between alcohol and something like acid.

Because a glass of wine doesn't make your hands webbed or buildings melt?
 
The only real argument against it seems to be that it's illegal.

So you think alcohol is safer than drugs like LSD etc' despite the reports featured in the Lancet etc'?

I'm not talking about hard drugs really, like heroin. They are truly dangerous. I just don't get why people make such a distinction between alcohol and something like acid.

Ok, all alcohol but just some drugs. ..? That weakens the argument further.
Alcohol has a social aspect, ridicule if you like but I am not sure we will ever toast a wedding by freebasing crack.
 
We criminalise the misuse of it. Why can't we do the same for other drugs?

We can. But the argument was that coke and cannabis stays in your system longer than alcohol and if you employ someone who has the safety of others as a responsibility then you should have the right to immediately sack anyone who turns up with it in their system.
 
We can. But the argument was that coke and cannabis stays in your system longer than alcohol and if you employ someone who has the safety of others as a responsibility then you should have the right to immediately sack anyone who turns up with it in their system.

You would need to make a distinction between in the person's system and that person being under the influence but I agree.

Ok, all alcohol but just some drugs. ..? That weakens the argument further.
Alcohol has a social aspect, ridicule if you like but I am not sure we will ever toast a wedding by freebasing crack.

Your argument doesn't exist at all because you're making a needless distinction.

Alcohol is a drug and it falls somewhere in the higher end of the 'danger' scale of drugs in terms of how addictive it is and the effective/lethal dose ratio.
 
Have you never drank to get drunk?

I have, I like the way it feels.

You can have a drink and not get drunk tho. Drunk people (il include myself) tend to act like tits. Druggies cant not get high by taking a few hits tho can they. So its not really the same IMO. The harm drugs causes outways the pleasure of a few IMO again.
 
You can have a drink and not get drunk tho. Drunk people (il include myself) tend to act like tits. Druggies cant not get high by taking a few hits tho can they. So its not really the same IMO. The harm drugs causes outways the pleasure of a few IMO again.

So you're usually a casual alcohol user? Why not compare yourself to other casual drug users then? And compare 'druggies' with alcoholics, who are addicted to their drug of choice.

Alcoholics can't get pissed without a skinfull just as druggies can't get high without going their ends.
 
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