Child benefit limit

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Child benefit is a drop in the water compared to Child Tax Credits - I don't see a problem capping it, I think CTC's should be capped at 3 kids (excluding natural multiple births) too. Its the only way to stop the baby making machines tbf.
 
It was modified in 1977, with the payments being termed "child benefit" and given for the eldest child as well as the younger ones; by 1979 it was worth £4 per child per week

With inflation, it's still £4 per week, but you get less for subsequent kids now.

look out piano said:
Child benefit is a drop in the water compared to Child Tax Credits - I don't see a problem capping it, I think CTC's should be capped at 3 kids (excluding natural multiple births) too. Its the only way to stop the baby making machines tbf.
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Really it should just be abolished, added to Child Tax Credits and means tested, they won't do that though as CTCs are being replaced by Universal Credit and it would pull millions more people into the Universal Credit system.
 
AndrewP said:
It was modified in 1977, with the payments being termed "child benefit" and given for the eldest child as well as the younger ones; by 1979 it was worth £4 per child per week

With inflation, it's still £4 per week, but you get less for subsequent kids now.



Really it should just be abolished, added to Child Tax Credits and means tested, they won't do that though as CTCs are being replaced by Universal Credit and it would pull millions more people into the Universal Credit system.
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Universal Credit won't be rolled out anytime soon - it'll cause too many problems paying folks a month in arrears (because they certainly wont be paying a month in advance, leaving everyone in the absolute shit for basic living expenses...............I see major problems ahead).
 
---Nemo--- said:
Weird when you think it was the era of the baby boom.
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Small population thanks to the war, I'd think?

look out piano said:
Universal Credit won't be rolled out anytime soon - it'll cause too many problems paying folks a month in arrears (because they certainly wont be paying a month in advance, leaving everyone in the absolute shit for basic living expenses...............I see major problems ahead).
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It's being rolled out now silly billy. CTCs are paid in arrears also are they not?
 
AndrewP said:
Your memory is playing tricks on you, that's pretty much how it is now, back in your day, you got nowt for the first, then more for subsequent.

The system was first implemented in August 1946 as "family allowances" under the Family Allowances Act 1945, at a rate of 5s(= £0.25) per week per child in a family, except for the eldest. This was raised from September 1952, by the Family Allowances and National Insurance Act 1952, to 8s (= £0.40), and from October 1956, by the Family Allowances Act and National Insurance Act 1956, to 8s for the second child with 10s (= £0.50) for the third and subsequent children. By 1955, some 5,000,000 allowances were being paid, to about 3,250,000 families

It's funny how things have changed, years ago, nowt for one, rewarded for more, now people would like to see the opposite happen it seems?
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The wars were still fresh in people's minds (and the 1930s). They thought that there was still a need for cannon fodder. The Boer war had been a shock, look in the Civic Centre (Sunderland). There is a cabinet devoted to men, made freemen, who were heroes because they were FIT ENOUGH to fight. In Urban areas up to 60% of volunteers were not fit enough (and there was the threat from Germany) hence the beginning of free school meals, medical tests and so on. We could pay when the coutry was skint (940s and 1950s) yet can't now. I'm not advocating endless numbers of kids, it's the general attitude these days that makes me sick to the stomach.
 
redgauntlet said:
The wars were still fresh in people's minds (and the 1930s). They thought that there was still a need for cannon fodder. The Boer war had been a shock, look in the Civic Centre (Sunderland). There is a cabinet devoted to men, made freemen, who were heroes because they were FIT ENOUGH to fight. In Urban areas up to 60% of volunteers were not fit enough (and there was the threat from Germany) hence the beginning of free school meals, medical tests and so on. We could pay when the coutry was skint (940s and 1950s) yet can't now. I'm not advocating endless numbers of kids, it's the general attitude these days that makes me sick to the stomach.
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I think Child Benefit should be means tested though, couples earning £90k don't really need child benefits, or any sort of benefits, and it could be better off spent elsewhere. Just my opinion though, sorry to those on £90k who might miss out.
 
AndrewP said:
Small population thanks to the war, I'd think?



It's being rolled out now silly billy. CTCs are paid in arrears also are they not?
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Nope, I get my working and child tax credits weekly. Lets hope it gets mothballed when there's a change of Government.
 
look out piano said:
Nope, I get my working and child tax credits weekly. Lets hope it gets mothballed when there's a change of Government.
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There won't be a change though, it'll be as you are or a minority conservative government.

Your CTCs and CB are in arrears though aren't they? Just weekly in arrears?
 
Market Where? said:
Apart from the first 3 of course. And then there is actually nothing to stop anybody breeding. In fact all the other kids will still be given free healthcare and education.
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How can you be sure that free healthcare and education will not be the next things to be taken away from the 4th child onwards if this goes through?
 
AndrewP said:
I think Child Benefit should be means tested though, couples earning £90k don't really need child benefits, or any sort of benefits, and it could be better off spent elsewhere. Just my opinion though, sorry to those on £90k who might miss out.
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i know nothing on the subject, but isn't the alleged argument against the means testing of Child Benefit that it would cost more than any savings made? or is that just political BS?
 
redgauntlet said:
The wars were still fresh in people's minds (and the 1930s). They thought that there was still a need for cannon fodder. The Boer war had been a shock, look in the Civic Centre (Sunderland). There is a cabinet devoted to men, made freemen, who were heroes because they were FIT ENOUGH to fight. In Urban areas up to 60% of volunteers were not fit enough (and there was the threat from Germany) hence the beginning of free school meals, medical tests and so on. We could pay when the coutry was skint (940s and 1950s) yet can't now. I'm not advocating endless numbers of kids, it's the general attitude these days that makes me sick to the stomach.
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Fair points.
 
errant said:
i know nothing on the subject, but isn't the alleged argument against the means testing of Child Benefit that it would cost more than any savings made? or is that just political BS?
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If you were to put it in with Child Tax Credit, it should cost next to nothing to means test as it's already means tested. Just add £20 to the CTC for first child, £13 for the next etc. Those who earn too much won't claim, much like they don't claim CTC.

You'd have to re-introduce a higher earning eligibility element though or you'd be potentially excluding a family on only £29k a year. It would be easy though, they used to do it before, the "family element" of about £500 per year was payable to people earning crica £45k, despite the rest of CTC tapering off at about £30k (based on one child).
 
Why should people without children pay less tax?

Big Sharp Teeth said:
Agreed.

Same goes for tax credits. If you don't claim them you should pay less tax.

In fact that should go for all benefits. The people who claim them should be the people who pay for them.
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Market Where? said:
It's not really an underlying message is it:

"It would save an estimated £300m a year - but Tory MP Dominic Raab said it was not purely about cost but could "send a message about personal responsibility"."

Do you believe in personal responsibility?


He knows all of the problems and none of the solutions.
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'Personal responsibility' for tories = it's your fault if you're poor, unemployed, undereducated...
 
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