Auschwitz 70 Years On.

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AFCSR6 said:
Well swerved, bud.
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I must have gotten confused by all your posts referring to the boer camps. I should have realised you actually meant aborigines half way around the world.:lol:
Once again, apologies to the op

SAFC 2012 said:
https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/...auschwitz-gas-chamber-with-their-fingernails/

Its absolutely brutal going in the gas chambers like, you cant comprehend what went on in there. Then you walk through the next door and theres half a dozen huge ovens :eek:
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I kind of want to go over and see them but, sort of .....not like.
I'm not sure. It must be sickening to see
 


Horatio Pugwash said:
I must have gotten confused by all your posts referring to the boer camps. I should have realised you actually meant aborigines half way around the world.:lol:
Once again, apologies to the op
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You might want to go back and read then. I referenced the 'genocide of the Aborigine's in Australia' to which you yourself commented on. Wether the Boer War 'isn't as bad' or not, the wiping of the Aboriginal people has been classed as genocide. By the British, who were then of the the most cyclised and technologically advanced civilisation. Same goes for Belgium, who slaughtered 10million people in the Congo. My point being, you cannot classify one as worse than the other, it's not a numbers wins game. This happens when one civilisation thinks they are more superior to another. See also my point of the thousands of men women and children killed being taken to be used as slaves. Dress it up all you like, but let's hope that this ' I have more right to be on this earth than you' attitude will at some point cease, be it in Europe, America, Africa or anywhere.
 
Horatio Pugwash said:
I must have gotten confused by all your posts referring to the boer camps. I should have realised you actually meant aborigines half way around the world.:lol:
Once again, apologies to the op


I kind of want to go over and see them but, sort of .....not like.
I'm not sure. It must be sickening to see
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Like i say, you simply cant comprehend what youre about to see but at the same time its something im glad i did

Theres honestly far too many stories to tell like, some of the stuff you hear/ see is absolutely unbelievable like. Theres rooms where they have thousands of shoes, clothes, suitcases etc. On the suitcases they paint the owners name and D.O.B, think the youngest i seen was about 11 month :eek:. It shocking
In one of the blocks theres a little grey wall called the wall of death, they reckon about 10 k people were shot up against it from memory
If you get the chance to go you should
 
AFCSR6 said:
You might want to go back and read then. I referenced the 'genocide of the Aborigine's in Australia' to which you yourself commented on. Wether the Boer War 'isn't as bad' or not, the wiping of the Aboriginal people has been classed as genocide. By the British, who were then of the the most cyclised and technologically advanced civilisation. Same goes for Belgium, who slaughtered 10million people in the Congo. My point being, you cannot classify one as worse than the other, it's not a numbers wins game. This happens when one civilisation thinks they are more superior to another. See also my point of the thousands of men women and children killed being taken to be used as slaves. Dress it up all you like, but let's hope that this ' I have more right to be on this earth than you' attitude will at some point cease, be it in Europe, America, Africa or anywhere.
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ffs

SAFC 2012 said:
Like i say, you simply cant comprehend what youre about to see but at the same time its something im glad i did

Theres honestly far too many stories to tell like, some of the stuff you hear/ see is absolutely unbelievable like. Theres rooms where they have thousands of shoes, clothes, suitcases etc. On the suitcases they paint the owners name and D.O.B, think the youngest i seen was about 11 month :eek:. It shocking
In one of the blocks theres a little grey wall called the wall of death, they reckon about 10 k people were shot up against it from memory
If you get the chance to go you should
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I reckon I probably will.
I'm quite into my history and particularly military (and related) history.
It must be emotional like
 
j.w said:
I got a shock when I found out we were going in an actual gas chamber, didn't think there was any left

Youre just speechless
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Its horrible like.

When you're going in all the different blocks and the guide says we cant go in here because of the brutality of what happened in here. After hearing what youve already heard/ seen you cant imagine what could possibly be worse

As bad as this sounds its a good place to visit like
 
SAFC 2012 said:
Like i say, you simply cant comprehend what youre about to see but at the same time its something im glad i did

Theres honestly far too many stories to tell like, some of the stuff you hear/ see is absolutely unbelievable like. Theres rooms where they have thousands of shoes, clothes, suitcases etc. On the suitcases they paint the owners name and D.O.B, think the youngest i seen was about 11 month :eek:. It shocking
In one of the blocks theres a little grey wall called the wall of death, they reckon about 10 k people were shot up against it from memory
If you get the chance to go you should
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This for me like - there is far too much to take in as you go round on a tour.

The one thing I really remember was the sheer size of Birkenau. Standing outside the train entrance the fence stretched as far as you could see in both directions
 
SAFC 2012 said:
Its horrible like.

When you're going in all the different blocks and the guide says we cant go in here because of the brutality of what happened in here. After hearing what youve already heard/ seen you cant imagine what could possibly be worse

As bad as this sounds its a good place to visit like
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The block to the left of the shooting gallery?

Where they did all sorts of experiments to kids and mothers

I came home after and googled it, made me even worse

RokerLegend said:
This for me like - there is far too much to take in as you go round on a tour.

The one thing I really remember was the sheer size of Birkenau. Standing outside the train entrance the fence stretched as far as you could see in both directions
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First thing I thought was it looked like a giant chicken farm, then you realise that's what it's built like. Store people then kill them
 
j.w said:
The block to the left of the shooting gallery?

Where they did all sorts of experiments to kids and mothers

I came home after and googled it, made me even worse



First thing I thought was it looked like a giant chicken farm, then you realise that's what it's built like. Store people then kill them
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Did you go in the standing cells? f***ing hell man
They were brutal the germans like
 
SAFC 2012 said:
Did you go in the standing cells? f***ing hell man
They were brutal the germans like
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The ones with the hatch in the bottom and they made them crawl in and stand?

Was horrible going down there through the thin corridors, like a horror film

The guild was telling us a story about some vicar or priest that got put in one, he tried to save someone else or summit like that. Can't remember the exact story but brought a lump to my throat
 
Been to Sachsenhausen just outside Berlin, mostly Political prisoners and Red army pows ,criminals, truly awful, museum and displays were terrible, there is a pit where the germans executed 12000 soviet prisoners with a shot in the back of the neck , went to Auschwitz-Birkinau , again awful , we didn't go on a tour bus with a guide, just wandered round, probably didn't get the explanations that the tour guides gave but we had more time to take it all in, tbh it didn't seem right that you had to pay to get in, nowt to do with the money side it just doesn't seem right, also I didn't like the little shop selling sweets and pop, it just didn't seem right in a place like that.
 
j.w said:
The ones with the hatch in the bottom and they made them crawl in and stand?

Was horrible going down there through the thin corridors, like a horror film

The guild was telling us a story about some vicar or priest that got put in one, he tried to save someone else or summit like that. Can't remember the exact story but brought a lump to my throat
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Maximilian Kolbe - he was a priest or something and he offered himself to replace someone else who was supposed to go in. I think he lasted quite a while in those conditions and when I walked past the cell he was held in. He lasted quite a while under those conditions (I think the Germans may have ended up just killing him in the end)

From what I can remember one of the Popes canonized him after the war and lit the candle which is still in the cell. The Jews were furious though as apparently this Kolbe fella was no fan of the Jews and offered some of the up to the Nazi's before his own imprisonment.

I went in 2007 and am recalling the story form memory. I'm sure someone on here will be able to tel you what happened more accurately.
 
RokerLegend said:
Maximilian Kolbe - he was a priest or something and he offered himself to replace someone else who was supposed to go in. I think he lasted quite a while in those conditions and when I went we walked past the cell he was held in. Apparantley he lasted quite a while under those conditions (I think the GErmans may have ended up just killing him)

From what I can remember one of the Popes canonized him after the war and lit the candle which is still in the cell. The Jews were furious though as apparently this Kolbe fella was no fan of the Jews and offered some of the up to the Nazi's before his own imprisonment.

I went in 2007 and am recalling the story form memory. I'm sure someone on here will be able to tel you what happened more accurately.
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That's the one aye, remember the guide saying he offered himself in place of someone crying about their kids or something. All to do with an escape attempt iirc
 
mack17 said:
Been to Sachsenhausen just outside Berlin, mostly Political prisoners and Red army pows ,criminals, truly awful, museum and displays were terrible, there is a pit where the germans executed 12000 soviet prisoners with a shot in the back of the neck , went to Auschwitz-Birkinau , again awful , we didn't go on a tour bus with a guide, just wandered round, probably didn't get the explanations that the tour guides gave but we had more time to take it all in, tbh it didn't seem right that you had to pay to get in, nowt to do with the money side it just doesn't seem right, also I didn't like the little shop selling sweets and pop, it just didn't seem right in a place like that.
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I went to Sachsenhausen first then Auschwitz a couple of years later. Then Chernobyl. Fuck knars where I'll have to go next to get my morbid curiosity kicks.
 
I remember one of the many photo's of the victims of Auschwitz, poor lad was a welder from Krakow, he only lasted two days there before they sent him to the gas chamber.Beggars belief that place.

Sebasaurus II said:
I went to Sachsenhausen first then Auschwitz a couple of years later. Then Chernobyl. Fuck knars where I'll have to go next to get my morbid curiosity kicks.
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North Shields?
 
mack17 said:
I remember one of the many photo's of the victims of Auschwitz, poor lad was a welder from Krakow, he only lasted two days there before they sent him to the gas chamber.Beggars belief that place.


North Shields?
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I remember them too on the walls of the corridors with the date they arrived at the camp and the date they died. I never had time to properly look at them as we were walking with the tour to the next cell or block but I think the longest one I saw was four months. The chilling thing about it was when the tour guide said the Germans brought the prison number tattoo in as they found it too hard to recognise the dead body from the photo taken on arrival such was the conditions they had to endure.
 
AFCSR6 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War#Concentration_camps_.281900.E2.80.931902.29

The camps had originally been set up by the British Army as "refugee camps" to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for whatever reason related to the war. However, when Kitchener succeeded Roberts as commander-in-chief in South Africa on 29 November 1900, the British Army introduced new tactics in an attempt to break the guerrilla campaign and the influx of civilians grew dramatically as a result. Kitchener initiated plans to

flush out guerrillas in a series of systematic drives, organised like a sporting shoot, with success defined in a weekly 'bag' of killed, captured and wounded, and to sweep the country bare of everything that could give sustenance to the guerrillas, including women and children ... It was the clearance of civilians—uprooting a whole nation—that would come to dominate the last phase of the war
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Give it a rest man will you. You're detracting from the subject at hand by your eagerness to have a dig at the British. Start another thread ffs.
 
mack17 said:
Been to Sachsenhausen just outside Berlin, mostly Political prisoners and Red army pows ,criminals, truly awful, museum and displays were terrible, there is a pit where the germans executed 12000 soviet prisoners with a shot in the back of the neck , went to Auschwitz-Birkinau , again awful , we didn't go on a tour bus with a guide, just wandered round, probably didn't get the explanations that the tour guides gave but we had more time to take it all in, tbh it didn't seem right that you had to pay to get in, nowt to do with the money side it just doesn't seem right, also I didn't like the little shop selling sweets and pop, it just didn't seem right in a place like that.
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Its not going to pay for its self and the tour guides say it costs a hell of a lot of money to maintain

Sebasaurus II said:
I went to Sachsenhausen first then Auschwitz a couple of years later. Then Chernobyl. Fuck knars where I'll have to go next to get my morbid curiosity kicks.
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:lol::lol: I want to go to chernobyl. love out like this me
 
AFCSR6 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War#Concentration_camps_.281900.E2.80.931902.29

The camps had originally been set up by the British Army as "refugee camps" to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for whatever reason related to the war. However, when Kitchener succeeded Roberts as commander-in-chief in South Africa on 29 November 1900, the British Army introduced new tactics in an attempt to break the guerrilla campaign and the influx of civilians grew dramatically as a result. Kitchener initiated plans to

flush out guerrillas in a series of systematic drives, organised like a sporting shoot, with success defined in a weekly 'bag' of killed, captured and wounded, and to sweep the country bare of everything that could give sustenance to the guerrillas, including women and children ... It was the clearance of civilians—uprooting a whole nation—that would come to dominate the last phase of the war
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there is absolutely no comparison between the boer war concentration camps and the final solution, so please

fuck off
 
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