Why don’t the 14 clubs in the top flight...

Discussion in 'Pure Football' started by phillips10, May 18, 2019.

  1. EssexYid

    EssexYid Central Defender

    "Do you just make shit up? :lol: Spurs have been Champions League just 4 times, 2011,2017,2018,2019 and Arsenal have been in Champions League 17 of the last 20 seasons missing 2000 and then last season and this season by just 1 point" [/QUOTE]

    You make some very valid and detailed points MackemX many of which are absolutely correct, but for the sake of accuracy Spurs have actually finished in the top Four 6 times in the last 9 years in 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and Spurs missed out by a point or Two on 3 or 4 occasions.

    The prize money for the top CL clubs will increase significantly when that format starts, which will allow those clubs to buy even better and deeper squads, look at next weeks Champions League Final Spurs v Liverpool where 12 substitutes can be named and up to 4 of them used if extra time is needed.
     
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  2. Bear

    Bear Striker

    There’s not 14 teams who’re cannon fodder
     
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  3. joss

    joss Midfield

    Almost on cue, a related piece about attempting to bridge the gap....

    ‘The stadium is paramount’: How Everton are plotting a top six push from Bramley Moore Dock
     
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  4. To be honest, I only looked at wiki Spurs years rather than going through the tables. For some reason it hasn't got 2009-2010 as Champions League as it has 2010-11 as Champions League instead. It also has 2015-16 as Europa League even though you finished 3rd :lol:

    List of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. seasons - Wikipedia

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    Best you get editing wiki ;) :lol:

    You said 2012 but they didn't as Chelsea won CL in 2012 and as Spurs finished in the playoff place they missed out ;) Also the points behind CL places is 1 point just the once and then 6 twice and 10 points.

    2010 - Qualified for playoffs in 4th (got through)
    2011 - 6 points off playoffs in 5th
    2012 - Europa (Only top 3 for CL as Chelsea won it so took the then play off 4th league place from Spurs)
    2013 - Europa as Arsenal pipped them 1 point to playoffs
    2014 - 10 points behind playoffs in 6th
    2015 - 6 points behind playoffs in 5th
    2016 - 3rd so qualified for stages
    2017 - 2nd so qualified for stages
    2018 - 3rd so qualified for stages
    2019 - 4th so qualified for stages
    I still don't know if this is fact as wiki is shite sometimes!

    ^^^^ has me on ignore and hasn't seen the facts :lol: :lol:
     
  5. EssexYid

    EssexYid Central Defender

    When Everton do eventually build their new 52,000 capacity stadium it is very unlikely to make any significant inroads into bridging the financial gap to the so called big Six, West Ham for example only made £24.5m from gate receipts for the season 2017/18 that is for a 57,000 capacity stadium in London with some season tickets hovering around the £900 mark, even Manchester United can’t charge more than £950 for their most expensive season tickets, at that price point it deleted their season ticket waiting list, and that has remained the case for the last 5 years or so.

    Within the next year or so Spurs annual revenue for example will be £500m plus, Everton’s annual revenue is currently £189m and that figure includes European football, which will be missing when their next year end financial results are released, the new stadium is unlikely to be open before 2023 ? and by that point in time the big Six revenues will be literally hundreds of millions in front of Everton’s.
     
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  6. Which says what exactly? They are miles behind in the revenue stakes as the top 6 get over double what Everton in 7th place revenue place in 2017-18. Of course they are gonna say shit as this is just to satifisy the fans demand for success, however as a business they are doing canny. This is what the Mags have come out with, as did we at one stage and it's all just paper talk. Why would they risk spending big money and paying obscene wages in the hope of possibly losing millions because of it?

    Aye they are looking to increase the ground by 10,000 (then 20,000) but even at £500 a pop for a ST that's just an extra £5,000,000 a season. What would that pay for these days player wise given that at £100K a week is £5,000,000 a season? They are just looking on ways to improve revenue without breaking the bank. They've bought 2/3 big players a season in recent seasons but haven't been going daft and risking it plus they've also sold players in that time. As a club they haven't been successful but as a business (which clubs are these days) they are doing just great ;)

    This is 2017-18 and 2018-19 is going to be interesting as it 2019-20 as I think the gap will be even bigger given their domination at the top in recent seasons.

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    Everton got a slightly inflated revenue in 2017-18 because they were on TV more and it's mentioned in that article

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  7. WHO WAS PHONE

    WHO WAS PHONE Goalkeeper

    I'd love to see a playoff format for the title like the Superbowl / Stanley Cup, even if it was just the top 4 rather than 8, would be dead exciting.
     
  8. EssexYid

    EssexYid Central Defender

    Spurs still finished in the top 4 in 2012, that is the criteria for Champions League qualification, if you disagree with my point you can also ignore Everton’s top 4 finish in 2005 as they didn’t actually qualify for the Champions League because they lost their play off game and were relegated to the Europa League.
     
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  9. joss

    joss Midfield

    I'm aware of all that and what @EssexYid is saying. There's much more in depth discussions about how we increase revenues. It's very tough, nobody is saying it isn't but my whole point was that we are going to try. I'll say nothing next time :)
     
  10. kildaremackem

    kildaremackem Midfield

    the thing is everton and most other pl clubs are operating at the very top of the range of what they can achieve revenue wise...a stadium is like the final frontier in terms of what can be achieved-and it is recurring revenue.
     
  11. EssexYid

    EssexYid Central Defender

    I was talking to lots of Everton fans outside our new stadium the other week, they were all saying how fantastic our new stadium was, we were also discussing Everton’s new stadium it will definitely give their fans a big boost and lift the clubs profile and desirability with it being located in such a great location by the docks.
     
  12. Sorry mate, didn't even notice the Everton avatar so just assumed it was another SAFC lad :lol: I can understand why they are trying to increase revenue as it also mentioned merchandise stuff also didn't it? However on the grand scale of things I guess it won't be enough to get up and maintain top 6 like the others are now dominating. You still have a chance of getting up there occasionally though as you're the only team who been hovering in and around the European places compared to other teams.

    It's certainly heading towards the European Super League (I reckon sometime in later 2020's) and chances are you'll be in the 2nd division at the least if that division format comes in.
     
  13. riffraff

    riffraff Striker

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  14. Bear

    Bear Striker

    Arsenal were cannon fodder away from home last season
     
  15. joss

    joss Midfield

    No worries. Yeah as things stand it's very, very difficult.

    Been the best thread for ages this one.
     
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  16. riffraff

    riffraff Striker

    Ssssh ffs. A KO competition for the top 8 to run after the season was mentioned years ago. If it was resurrected I bet they’d want em played abroad. Mexico City, LA, NYC, Cape Town, Tokyo, Sydney, Beijing. There’s yer seven venues reqd reet there.
     
  17. WHO WAS PHONE

    WHO WAS PHONE Goalkeeper

    Haha I think that'll happen regardless of the format, unfortunately.
     
  18. Bear

    Bear Striker

    Man Utd were cannon fodder for the rest it the league the last dozen games
     
  19. EssexYid

    EssexYid Central Defender

    That is your opinion, personally I don’t think it would have made much difference even then, fact is Everton’s match day income isn’t going to increase that much in the grand scheme of things either now or 10/15 years ago, the debt the stadium will bring will be significant and will eat up any additional income they get which won’t be the case with Spurs.

    Spurs new stadium is a different kettle of fish financially, Spurs for example are making more in beer sales alone than West Ham’s total gate receipts, :lol:

    Spurs new stadium will generate more revenue than the likes of Arsenal’s and Manchester United’s in total revenues as it is so adaptable for different events, and Haringey Council have been generous with the amount of events that can be held at both full and part capacity.
     
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  20. joss

    joss Midfield

    I doubt it would have then myself as we had a board who ran the business side like a boys club. As for the future of course we can't charge what others can because of London weighting or the Tourist FC element, but equally we don't know the details yet of this build so we'll have to wait until they are released.

    The architect is holding seminars at the minute that echo a lot of what @MackemX is saying about different revenue streams over and beyond the pooled TV money etc. Only by exploring all possibilities can others attempt to catch up:
    Dan Meis | World Stadium Congress

    STADIA LEADERS EXCHANGE: What Is The Ideal Stadium Of The Future?
    Stadiums are no more just a sporting venue but a multi purpose facility catering to numerous activities and stakeholders. They are an essential part of the community and city too. Creating futuristic, sustainable and multi-purpose facilities have become the new trend for stadium and club owners.
    • The future of stadium design, technology, infrastructure and experience
    • Converting non-sporting fans to customers of the future and creating a loyal and engaged fanbase
    • How technology and trends will impact commerciality, partnerships and broadcast
    • Creating sustainable, efficient and commercial strategies for current and future stadiums
    TRENDS IN STADIUM DESIGN: BIGGER IS NOT NECESSARILY BETTER
    • Trends in stadium design
    • REVENUE MINING: Finding new revenue streams in venues
    • Gen Z, new generation of fans crave a different kind of experience
     

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