Who's still backing Moyes?

[muffler]

How long do we stick with someone who is failing though?

If you took a successful management team and put them into any failing business with limited funds, then it would take a lot more than 5 months to turn the business around. Do we really think that Bains/Moyes can identify all of the problems on and off the pitch and recruit the right people on and off the pitch to sort it in five months?

There are a lot of people on this board who assume changing culture is quick easy - it really isn't. I get the frustration mind, we've all had it for years.

Football isn't a complicated game, players are just people, and people haven't changed much over the last five years. Moyes was clearly a good tactician and manager at Everton and so I reckon he's clearly still a good manager now. How can he not be, what could have changed? Some of his decisions have been hard to understand but we don't know who's carrying knocks, bugs or who might have ben brilliant/a bit shit in training that week.

We have to have a plan and stick to it.

 

[raven_5]

I go back to Mark Hughes who developed a very good Blackburn side who turned over us under Keane. Keane was very depressed about it and Hughes said it takes 3 years to get a team/squad where you want it.

If we went down this year and stuck with Moyes, allowed him the chance to build up the team and style of play that he wanted we may come back and be able to emulate Bournemouth. I'm not saying that would be automatic but it would be preferable to the endless groundhog we now get of sack manager, brief rally, struggle. At some point we have to break this cycle because there has been precious little to be positive about in the time we've been in the Premier League - its generally been soul-destroyingly awful.

Not an argument to keep a shite manager.

 

[arthursboy]

Failing to buy Yedlin and Mvilla was a disaster, purchasing 2 lads from Man Utd instead I agree was crap.
But no money and lots of injuries has compounded his ability to push on.
I'm afraid we won't get better than Moyes to get us sorted and back up with a better financial foundation.
End this merry go round of managers and stick with him.
Give him the 4 years we need for stability, people who want him gone, be carefull what you wish for.

 

[chriswallace85]

Not sure what else he's supposed to do all things considered.

Throwing the kids in is not the answer neither.

 

[North of the Smoke]

Everyone, the situation is under complete control, we have a master tactician at the helm, there is a plan, and when he gets his injured players back we will enjoy expansive and progressive football, possibly even find ourselves chasing bournemouth and west brom.

The young lads can then get off on loan to bradford and hartlepool.

Good times

 

[TAFKAHM]

The "we're in a relegation battle" is just being realistic. If we had a more ambitious owner I doubt Moyes would be staying stuff like that.

And it might sound old fashioned but Stoke are a big, physical team so not sure any of our young players would have made a difference today.

But if you watched Moyes first ever interview in July, he said we would be looking to get on the next level after talks with short...A big "U-turn"....

 

[JL1985]

I'm backing Moyes, he's the best we can get. There's only one manager is football who could sort this mess out and that' Tony Pulis.

 

[Nicky Winterwasp]

I have very little faith in him but he's going nee where soon so we've nee choice but to back him I suppose.

It's hard to judge him properly under the circumstances. Granted, his signings haven't been the best and some of his decisions are questionable but we can't know the full reasons behind every occurrence. Regarding his signings, they may have been his 6/7/8th choice for example, and he's gone for them as we need bodies. At least with the likes of McNair and love they have a chance to develop and could become solid players for us in years to come. Big Vic has been a big plus for us when available and OK pienaar is past it but again, it's a body and a 1 year contract. IF we get relegated then the club have a chance to be bold and refuse all offers for Pickford, sell the likes of Kone to keep the wolves at bay and go with youth in the championship, Pickford, Love, McNair, Gooch, Watmore, Ndong all players at the start of their career really who could benefit from a year in a team not struggling every week to boost their confidence. Completely went off on a tangent there like but Moyes needs the fans support as let's face it, I doubt any other manager would be doing much if any better at the moment

 

[GBSAFC]

I have very little faith in him but he's going nee where soon so we've nee choice but to back him I suppose.

this is the reality... doesnt matter whose managing us now. were broke, we may sell the likes of defoe/pickford/kone/pva with no guarantee that short will reinvest the cash... i think he maybe tempted to cash in on sales and leave us to our fate.
who in the right mind will buy the club crippled by debt and be flogged at a premium market rate

 

[HBSAFC]

Serious question: why do you rate Moyes? He's done well in ancient times but this version of Moyes is shot. We've seen it before with managers who are past their sell by date. A lifeless corpse, clinging determinedly to the vestiges of a distantly successful career.

Can you honestly tell me that you can see anything positive going on? Anything?

Moyes in an experienced manager who knows what he's doing.

I agree nothing positive atm but I believe Moyes is here long term and over time he will get it right.

Moyes has contributed to this squad with 10 players. He's got to take responsibility

He knew NDong, our record signing, would be missing this month and still bought him. He's been very lucky his other big buy Papy wasn't picked aswell.

Out of all of his signings only Victor has made a big difference and he was signed after the window had shut.

I'm not sure I'd trust Moyes with anymore money judging by his recruitment

He had 1 month to buy 10 players with limited funds. I'd imagine he'd have bought differently if he had time to plan transfers or if he was backed by an ambitious owner.

I'm not. I'm sick to back teeth of him.
Yes we've got injuries etc but he works with these players day in, day out and they still can't do the basics very well. I can accept defeats to the big boys but rolling over against the likes of Stoke, Burnley and Swansea is unforgivable. Plus his transfers in the summer have proved to be poor in general.

Who'd you bring in then?

Also as we change manager every season do you not think it might not be the manager's fault? Short is the problem at Sunderland, it's obvious.

The injuries we've had been very unlucky. Transfers in the summer....he had 1 month to sign 10 players with limited funds. What were you expecting? Other managers had at least an extra 2 months to prepare for this season than Moyes did.

As I said before Stoke have a comfortably better side than us like, not surprised we lost.

Moyes' CV? He's a laughing stock for 3 years now mate, has shown nothing in his last 3 jobs. He's finished.
How could someone do a worse job than waste 30m, being joint bottom and doing worse than Hull?

It was less than £30m and he had to use that to sign 10 players. Crystal Palace spent more on one player. Als you're not taking into consideration it was almost August when Moyes arrived. He had to rush around whilst other managers had months to prepare.

Amazes me how many of our fans are blaming Moyes whilst Ellis Short owns the club.

 

[WHD]

Also as we change manager every season do you not think it might not be the manager's fault? Short is the problem at Sunderland, it's obvious.

That statement is so simplistic - you need to look at the circumstances of each managerial change, not just say "we change manager every season, therefore Short is the problem".

Our last manager left for the England job ffs.

 

[raven_5]

Moyes in an experienced manager who knows what he's doing.

I agree nothing positive atm but I believe Moyes is here long term and over time he will get it right.



He had 1 month to buy 10 players with limited funds. I'd imagine he'd have bought differently if he had time to plan transfers or if he was backed by an ambitious owner.



Who'd you bring in then?

Also as we change manager every season do you not think it might not be the manager's fault? Short is the problem at Sunderland, it's obvious.

The injuries we've had been very unlucky. Transfers in the summer....he had 1 month to sign 10 players with limited funds. What were you expecting? Other managers had at least an extra 2 months to prepare for this season than Moyes did.

As I said before Stoke have a comfortably better side than us like, not surprised we lost.



It was less than £30m and he had to use that to sign 10 players. Crystal Palace spent more on one player. Als you're not taking into consideration it was almost August when Moyes arrived. He had to rush around whilst other managers had months to prepare.

Amazes me how many of our fans are blaming Moyes whilst Ellis Short owns the club.

No, he signed 3 players for 26.5m. The rest were free.

You keep bring the Crystal Palace 30m fee. They only paid that because their best player by a mile went for 25m. If Moyes sold his best asset for 20m he could have signed 20m+ players too.

 

[minkey]

me

 

[TartanMackem]

I don't think he's done a good job so far, and he is needlessly making an already difficult job much harder than it needs to be. That being said, I think we should stick with him unless an absolutely outstanding candidate becomes available.

 

[1more]

Moyes in an experienced manager who knows what he's doing.

I agree nothing positive atm but I believe Moyes is here long term and over time he will get it right.



He had 1 month to buy 10 players with limited funds. I'd imagine he'd have bought differently if he had time to plan transfers or if he was backed by an ambitious owner.



No he didn't, he came here is preseason and was manager for, I think, 4 preseason games. He probably had 6-7 weeks before the season closed to sign players.

 

[HBSAFC]

No, he signed 3 players for 26.5m. The rest were free.

You keep bring the Crystal Palace 30m fee. They only paid that because their best player by a mile went for 25m. If Moyes sold his best asset for 20m he could have signed 20m+ players too.

We never had a player to sell for £25m.

@1more Moyes was appointed 21 days before we played Man City first game of the season. Plenty time to sort transfers out though aye?

 

[bowers2]

I am.
Inherited the worst squad in the league.
Given no money o spend and injuries.

Will turn out to be a good manager for us although I've said all along I'd of preferred Dyche when we had the chance.

 

[WHD]

I am.
Inherited the worst squad in the league.
Given no money o spend and injuries.

Will turn out to be a good manager for us although I've said all along I'd of preferred Dyche when we had the chance.

Those statements are pure bullshit.

 

[davosafc87]

We have a manager with a good history at Everton, who has failed to deliver in the last 2 appointments. My patients is wearing thin with him. Injuries are not helping - but you can only piss with the cock you got. We have no energy in the middle of the park or creativity.

There is still 51 points to play for.......

 

[Grammar Police]

Everyone, the situation is under complete control, we have a master tactician at the helm, there is a plan, and when he gets his injured players back we will enjoy expansive and progressive football, possibly even find ourselves chasing bournemouth and west brom.

The young lads can then get off on loan to bradford and hartlepool.

Good times

Bit early to be on the drink?

I am.
Inherited the worst squad in the league.
Given no money o spend and injuries.

Will turn out to be a good manager for us although I've said all along I'd of preferred Dyche when we had the chance.

Inherited a squad that had lost 3 games hitherto that calendar year.
Spent £21m on two unproven and untested Africans plus £5.5m on two Man Utd reserves.

These are facts.

As @WHD states, your comment is pure horseshit.

Sadly it's been trotted out on here (while flying in the face of the truth) so many times that quite a few (including you) have begun to take it as gospel.