Vaux - it'll never happen!

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back_to_winning_ways said:
This has nothing to do with the Council. It is a Government initiative to relocate smaller HMRC offices to regional centres. The regional centre for the North East is at Benton Park View (Longbenton) and smaller offices from as far away as Middlesbrough and Stockton up to Sunderland and Washington will closing and the jobs relocating there.
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Mere facts.
 


Wilfy said:
f***ing hell, let's just build bungalows on the Vaux site then. Ffs, no pleasing some fuckers.
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Sunderland needs curve and flow of line in it's modern architecture design, mirroring the aesthetic feel portrayed from the Hour Glass body of a beautiful woman. Curves that make static buildings look like they are dancing the Samba to the backdrop of our wonderful coastline and sea, giving illusion of movement, making peoples eyeballs dance around in their sockets as they follow vibrant lines of structure and form.
Stop the boxes and give us curves!!
 
tunstall birdman said:
Sunderland needs curve and flow of line in it's modern architecture design, mirroring the aesthetic feel portrayed from the Hour Glass body of a beautiful woman. Curves that make static buildings look like they are dancing the Samba to the backdrop of our wonderful coastline and sea, giving illusion of movement, making peoples eyeballs dance around in their sockets as they follow vibrant lines of structure and form.
Stop the boxes and give us curves!!
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@redandwhiterob
 
ANonnyMoose said:
Sunderland council are shit. Have been for decades. Who's job is it to promote the city and get investment/infrastructure built? Who could have used a compulsory purchase order to take over the site, which is of such importance, in the first place?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_purchase_order

Almost any other place in the country they would have been voted out years ago.

Oh wait, whats this? Who owns the site?

http://siglion.co.uk/2017/05/15/steelwork-in-place-at-former-brewery-site-in-sunderland/

So even then they have owned the site for SIX YEARS and there was nothing stopping them buying earlier than that.

Sunderland council are an embarrassment.

What was that you said about facts?
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This is a prime example of what I said on the other thread, virtually no one in here understands what the council does, the powers it has, the finances it has, or anything for that matter.
 
tunstall birdman said:
Sunderland needs curve and flow of line in it's modern architecture design, mirroring the aesthetic feel portrayed from the Hour Glass body of a beautiful woman. Curves that make static buildings look like they are dancing the Samba to the backdrop of our wonderful coastline and sea, giving illusion of movement, making peoples eyeballs dance around in their sockets as they follow vibrant lines of structure and form.
Stop the boxes and give us curves!!
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Still stuck in the 50s I see.
 
Wilfy said:
They finally got the right to buy the land in the middle of a massive recession when council budgets were being slashed left, right and centre. They had to do some clean up work to make it fit to build on. There was something stopping them buying the land earlier, it's called Tesco. You try and buy some land from Tesco and see how long it will take you. Do nowt and people will complain, build something and people will complain. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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So why did they allow Tesco to buy it in the first place? Its not a huge surprise that Tesco would want to build a supermarket on the site, its kind of their raison d'être. If they didn't want that to happen, they could have used a compulsory purchase order to buy it at any time. The council have legal powers that even a giant like Tesco do not.

People would not complain if they were building something that had a clear vision and long-term planning. There is precious little evidence of either.

Not bad for a council led by someone earning significantly more than the PM of the country.
 
ANonnyMoose said:
So why did they allow Tesco to buy it in the first place? Its not a huge surprise that Tesco would want to build a supermarket on the site, its kind of their raison d'être. If they didn't want that to happen, they could have used a compulsory purchase order to buy it at any time. The council have legal powers that even a giant like Tesco do not.

People would not complain if they were building something that had a clear vision and long-term planning. There is precious little evidence of either.

Not bad for a council led by someone earning significantly more than the PM of the country.
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If you were selling a piece of land, would you sell it to the highest bidder or to someone who would love the land but can't afford it?
 
ANonnyMoose said:
So why did they allow Tesco to buy it in the first place? Its not a huge surprise that Tesco would want to build a supermarket on the site, its kind of their raison d'être. If they didn't want that to happen, they could have used a compulsory purchase order to buy it at any time. The council have legal powers that even a giant like Tesco do not.

People would not complain if they were building something that had a clear vision and long-term planning. There is precious little evidence of either.

Not bad for a council led by someone earning significantly more than the PM of the country.
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I think it's true that our council was shit in the not too distant past but it does seem to be getting it's act together now. At the time I don't think the council could have entered a bidding war with Tesco and imagine the prospect of a legal battle with a company the size of Tesco wasn't that appealing.
 
Wilfy said:
I know that it was the government who had to intervene and make Tesco sell the land to us.
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Can you imagine the damage to city centre retail which would have occurred had they got their way? Sunderland were small a council up against a greedy supermarket giant with ample more resources.
 
DJP said:
Sunderland city centre has also lost around 400 tax office jobs at the main office opposite The Derry, an office block that the council bought and then put up for sale. Those tax office workers were vital to the lunchtime and early evening economy in the city. Some of the jobs were relocated to a call centre office off Wessington Way. Wouldn't it have been more beneficial to the shops, pubs and restaurants in the city centre to keep the jobs there?

(I haven't read this full thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned.)
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It's worth remembering some of those jobs were lost under a conservative government and some under the labour government
The loss of those jobs are so damaging to the economy. There's so much left the city centre it's really been damaging. I knew a shop owner near park lane who said when jobs went at the civic, his shop takings almost halved overnight.
It shows the importance of centralising amenities into the city centre and keeping the outlying areas for mostly residential. The city centre needs people living and working in it, so apartments and student accommodation could help along with offices
 
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MrOompapa said:
Can you imagine the damage to city centre retail which would have occurred had they got their way? Sunderland were small a council up against a greedy supermarket giant with ample more resources.
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It would have been even more of a ghost town. I think Tesco are the biggest property landowner in the uk iirc.
 
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