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Jack Blue said:
The problem with VAR is that it takes too long to disallow a goal which means the spontaneous joy of a goal is not there anymore.
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Mistakes and process errors can be corrected over time, and I'm sure they will.

But this is the biggest problem. You don't know if you should celebrate a goal anymore.
 

peter w said:
Wahoo! At last technology works in our (Villa) favour.
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Disappointing
mackemal said:
Was cleared up last night mate the goal line technology people at Hawkeye apologied for f*ucking up and said the ball was over the line. Their excuse was all seven cameras had their view impeded by players or the post.
VAR didn't get involved as they didn't realise there was a problem with Hawkeye
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There were 2 shocking VAR incidents in the Benfica game last night.

First one: Cross comes over, keeper comes out and punches the ball away as the attacker leaps to head it and they collide but not heavily by any stretch of the imagination. Referee's decision = Penalty. VAR review = Penalty
Second one: Cross driven in across the ground past one Benfica player who's offside, he tries to touch it but there was no evidence of any contact, second Benfica lad (who's onside) taps it in the net. Referee's decision = goal. VAR review = No goal.

All the evidence they needed to get to the correct decision and they managed 0/2. Hopeless.
 
100% VAR mistake. The ref is relying on goal line technology and. It has been like that for years. If you want to blame goal line technology for this error, then you have to be ready to scrap it and find other solutions that so not rely on the ref as the ref is the reason we "needed" this technology and VAR at all. Blame this on VAR and the way it was implemented , as this is the biggest joke of the two.
 
VAR won't go until all fans stand collectively against it. 99% of fans say they dislike it, but when a decision goes there way, they love it.

Fans need to be against it even when decisions go there way imo. Otherwise the argument is "they only don't like it when decisions go against them".
 
VAR is sh*te imo and certainly spoiling my enjoyment of watching football...must be 10x worse if yr actually in the crowd at one of these games.
 
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Get Into Em said:
VAR won't go until all fans stand collectively against it. 99% of fans say they dislike it, but when a decision goes there way, they love it.

Fans need to be against it even when decisions go there way imo. Otherwise the argument is "they only don't like it when decisions go against them".
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If fans and clubs accepted that decisions didn’t go their way in the first place they would not have been no need for VAR.

For years and years all they did is twist about understandable human errors now you reckon they should twist and go back to a system they constantly twisted at!
 
Voice of fair play said:
If fans and clubs accepted that decisions didn’t go their way in the first place they would not have been no need for VAR.

For years and years all they did is twist about understandable human errors now you reckon they should twist and go back to a system they constantly twisted at!
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I'd rather have human error than having to wait 5 minutes to see if a 90th minute goal has been allowed because an elbow is offside. I'd imagine most other fans would when they look at perspective.

That's my point: in the moment, half the fans will love it, the other half will hate it. But when they take a step back and look at the bigger picture, 99% dislike it.
 
Get Into Em said:
I'd rather have human error than having to wait 5 minutes to see if a 90th minute goal has been allowed because an elbow is offside. I'd imagine most other fans would when they look at perspective.

That's my point: in the moment, half the fans will love it, the other half will hate it. But when they take a step back and look at the bigger picture, 99% dislike it.
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I just think it’s bit contradictory mate, it was only because of constant twisting by a lot of people and not accepting mistakes that has got us to where we are, so you could say some have got what they deserved.

The problem was before VAR, even when somebody was millimetres offside fans didn’t accept wrong decisions they complained about it,

‘ the linesman just guessed’ ‘ it’s only becuase we playing against a big club’ ‘ if that was at the other end it would have never been given’. I could go on and on.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I just think it’s bit contradictory mate, it was only because of constant twisting by a lot of people and not accepting mistakes that has got us to where we are, so you could say some have got what they deserved.

The problem was before VAR, even when somebody was millimetres offside fans didn’t accept wrong decisions they complained about it,

‘ the linesman just guessed’ ‘ it’s only becuase we playing against a big club’ ‘ if that was at the other end it would have never been given’. I could go on and on.
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I don't disagree at all.

In both situations with, or without VAR one set of fans is happy, one set isn't.

However, with VAR, you have to wait x amounts of minutes to find out if you're going to be happy or sad, which just takes all the joy, atmosphere, and adrenaline from the game.
 
Get Into Em said:
I don't disagree at all.

In both situations with, or without VAR one set of fans is happy, one set isn't.

However, with VAR, you have to wait x amounts of minutes to find out if you're going to be happy or sad, which just takes all the joy, atmosphere, and adrenaline from the game.
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Or yeah don’t get me right say completely see where you coming from. Guess what I am saying is fans are soo partisan they just twist whenever something doesn’t go they way, rather than accept football is game for human beings and humans will always make mistakes and just accept them mistakes as part and parcel of the game.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Or yeah don’t get me right say completely see where you coming from. Guess what I am saying is fans are soo partisan they just twist whenever something doesn’t go they way, rather than accept football is game for human beings and humans will always make mistakes and just accept them mistakes as part and parcel of the game.
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Aye but now everyone has seen that the grass isn't greener on the other side, if we went back, there would be a hell of a lot less complaining about refs . In fact I don't recall a lot of pressure for VAR from match going fans in the first place. People just vented at refs when they made a mistake. Big deal. VAR was brought in and will stay because it 'americanises' the sport for the tv viewer. It creates more drama and more mindless nonsense for morons to get excited about who haven't got the brain capacity to be entertained simply through a game of football
 
Get Into Em said:
I'd rather have human error than having to wait 5 minutes to see if a 90th minute goal has been allowed because an elbow is offside. I'd imagine most other fans would when they look at perspective.

That's my point: in the moment, half the fans will love it, the other half will hate it. But when they take a step back and look at the bigger picture, 99% dislike it.
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Not at all. It’s about fairness and what is tight. The new system (albeit with teething troubles) mitigates referee bias as well for sure as we know top teams get more dodgy calls than lower placed teams. Then you have player pressure, crowd effect and so on. That is notwithstanding the catastrophic effects an incorrect decision might have on a team at a crucial time of the season or in a cup match. That might end up costing a club millions.
No! Give me VAR and goal line technology any day.
 
Voice of fair play said:
I just think it’s bit contradictory mate, it was only because of constant twisting by a lot of people and not accepting mistakes that has got us to where we are, so you could say some have got what they deserved.

The problem was before VAR, even when somebody was millimetres offside fans didn’t accept wrong decisions they complained about it,

‘ the linesman just guessed’ ‘ it’s only becuase we playing against a big club’ ‘ if that was at the other end it would have never been given’. I could go on and on.
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Sky/BT/MOTD and their sh!te pundits were the driving force behind technology being introduced, they convinced the fans the game would be better for it..............it’s not.
 
The Truth said:
There were 2 shocking VAR incidents in the Benfica game last night.

First one: Cross comes over, keeper comes out and punches the ball away as the attacker leaps to head it and they collide but not heavily by any stretch of the imagination. Referee's decision = Penalty. VAR review = Penalty
Second one: Cross driven in across the ground past one Benfica player who's offside, he tries to touch it but there was no evidence of any contact, second Benfica lad (who's onside) taps it in the net. Referee's decision = goal. VAR review = No goal.

All the evidence they needed to get to the correct decision and they managed 0/2. Hopeless.
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Albeit soft as fuck and a stupid rule, the second one is correct as he made a move to play the ball and had the defender right next to him so 'affected' the defender also.

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tunstallhill said:
Aye but now everyone has seen that the grass isn't greener on the other side, if we went back, there would be a hell of a lot less complaining about refs . In fact I don't recall a lot of pressure for VAR from match going fans in the first place. People just vented at refs when they made a mistake. Big deal. VAR was brought in and will stay because it 'americanises' the sport for the tv viewer. It creates more drama and more mindless nonsense for morons to get excited about who haven't got the brain capacity to be entertained simply through a game of football
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Well yeah there is a element of Americanises in it which agree we don't like.

But me personally I think a lot of fans want everything, don't want VAR ,but don't want officials to make mistakes either and to quote you, some mindless morons at the match used to call and abuse refs for making totally understandable mistakes.

I think you right people are now realising if VAR can't get it right with slow downed replays from perfect angle, how f***ing difficult it was for refs before VAR.
viccarlton said:
Sky/BT/MOTD and their sh!te pundits were the driving force behind technology being introduced, they convinced the fans the game would be better for it..............it’s not.
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Yeah I think everyone involved to be honest including managers just would not accept that the game is played and officiated by humans and humans make mistakes.

Yeah I agree the over analysis by the Sky etc was shocking to honest over every decision,
 
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