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The other worrying thing for me is that the Lino got the decision wrong in the first place - so it there was no VAR, it would have been disallowed anyway.

Given I am firmly in the camp to get rid of VAR, this worries me more. The standard of officiating is going backwards as a result of VAR. I believe we are seeing that in lower divisions too. The officials, even when there is no VAR, are making poor decisions because they are conditioned that way. Our ref on Friday was an exception, as he was first class.
 
Pedrovansank said:
Microchip the club badge. Computer track the offsides.

Stuff the lines or mm offsides. If your chip is ahead of the last defender then you're offside.
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Those bra things most wear outside of the prem for logging data could easily have a chip in it, in the centre of the body, they could quickly give a quick computerised image and a green or red light, or the officials could just use their eyes and brains, bit of a stretch I know...
 
zebediah said:
It's here to stay, just hope it will be improved.
Dedicated technical referees who have opposable thumbs would be a start.
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Refs shouldn’t be at the controls.

I read that the words good goal, no goal, offside, foul, handball etc aren’t used in the exchanges. Surely that’s not true? “Check complete” or “have a look” etc can’t be what the ref hears surely?
 
Bada Bing said:
The other worrying thing for me is that the Lino got the decision wrong in the first place - so it there was no VAR, it would have been disallowed anyway.

Given I am firmly in the camp to get rid of VAR, this worries me more. The standard of officiating is going backwards as a result of VAR. I believe we are seeing that in lower divisions too. The officials, even when there is no VAR, are making poor decisions because they are conditioned that way. Our ref on Friday was an exception, as he was first class.
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Always said that they make decisions when no decision is there to be made, you have to be a 100% sure before you blow your whistle or stick your flag up, any element of doubt just let it go, they also see things that don't happen, a lot, which also puzzles me. More retrospective bans for trying to con the officials are also needed, regardless of its impact on the actual game in question.
 
sunderpitt said:
I still think, the first Red was dodgy... not only did his foot bounce off the ball (ie no intent to directly kick the player), the angle that the useless ref was shown, (together with slomo) made it look worse, than another angle showing a glancing blow. The ref reacted to the player on the floor writhing with agony, who a minute later was running around like a spring lamb. Having conned the thick ref.

As for the 2nd red card, certainly one yellow was a joke if not both.
I just hope when this ref as punishment is dropped a league, we do not get lumbered with him.

The 4th official is a decent ref, he should have been in charge
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yea,i thought the lad was hard done by with the red card,got me thinking back to a similar incident with Cattermole a few seasons back,nigh enuff exactly the sma,foot slides owa top of ball,straight red,there was no sodding var back then like
 
Kid Galahad said:
Always said that they make decisions when no decision is there to be made, you have to be a 100% sure before you blow your whistle or stick your flag up, any element of doubt just let it go, they also see things that don't happen, a lot, which also puzzles me. More retrospective bans for trying to con the officials are also needed, regardless of its impact on the actual game in question.
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Fully agree - and the last point you make about bans for conning the ref is a central point to improving the game. Yes, I am getting stuck into the officials, but to be fair, it is a difficult job made harder by cheating.
 
sir rowell cummins said:
I’d remove VAR and have a rule change where anyone moaning or appealing anything and anyone who exaggerates a foul instantly gets time off the field.
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yea,get rid of this yellow card shite,if a foul warrants action get the player off the field for say ten minutes as in rugby,might help to stop all this whinging on and pretendy stuff as well
 
Pacific said:
just been reading that. it makes no sense for it to be true. why wouldn't the VAR say something when seeing the game restarting with a free kick at nil nil?

i still think they've fucked up and drawn the lines on the wrong player

it's all recorded anyway isn't it. what's the chances we don't get the audio as they don't want to embarrass themselves further
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That’s exactly why we never get the verbals.

The head honcho didnt give a red card for the Dutch king fu kick in the South African WC Final. Incompetence and cowardice is rewarded in English refereeing circles.
doodlebugs said:
yea,get rid of this yellow card shite,if a foul warrants action get the player off the field for say ten minutes as in rugby,might help to stop all this whinging on and pretendy stuff as well
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It’d kill the game. Ten men behind the ball for the next ten mins etc. I’m assuming of course that the players and coaches would be stupid enough to carry on doing it. I don’t think they would.
 
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beezer said:
When you play fifa on the PlayStation it can call an offside to the mm instantly. You would think this technology along with Hawkeye or similar to scan the players bodies in real time could be used more effectively than the current system. This incident might be the spark that pushes it in that direction imo.
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i think hawkeye predicts the trajectory of balls. I watched something about how it works and in tennis i assumed it scanned the lines to see if the ball crosses but it doesn't. it basically predicts the path the ball takes by judging the speed and angle etc. not sure it could be used for offsides.
 
riffraff said:
That’s exactly why we never get the verbals.

The head honcho didnt give a red card for the Dutch king fu kick in the South African WC Final. Incompetence and cowardice is rewarded in English refereeing circles.

It’d kill the game. Ten men behind the ball for the next ten mins etc. I’m assuming of course that the players and coaches would be stupid enough to carry on doing it. I don’t think they would.
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i just think after all the nonsense surrounding the games yesterday and since the seasons's start a proper deterrent's needed to put a stop to the cheating time wasting stuff,anyway we're used to 10 men aback of the ball at home
 
sir rowell cummins said:
I’d remove VAR and have a rule change where anyone moaning or appealing anything and anyone who exaggerates a foul instantly gets time off the field.
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Yep, I thought this season, a 'touch' was not enough to give a foul. The spuds players in particular seem to have cottoned on fairly quickly that the ref, had not got the memo, or done the training about a foul only being awarded if sufficient force merited it. Imho the ref was unduly influenced by the 'fouled' player exaggerating the pain, once the foul/yellow/red had been awarded, up they got and were 100% okay.

Very very poor ref yesterday, we would have gone ballistic if it happened to us. As it is, I reckon most fans of other teams, except spuds of course, would think the same.

I have generally been a supporter of VAR, in order to get the right decision and stop cheating, however even VAR it seems cannot prevent human stupidity.
 
No other country operating var gets the same amount of fuck ups as the PL. UEFA and FIFA tournaments don’t either. You’d almost think there was something wrong with a ref training and appointing system that deigned Graham “three card trick” Poll and Howard “king fu kick” Webb to be Englands best refs wouldn’t you?
 
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