VAR has ruined top level football.

[Fact Hunt]

Pre VAR the headline of the game would be that United were robbed by a shocking mistake from the linesman. There'd be talk of Man Utd suing the FA and a replay. You'd get a clamour for VAR to stop these mistakes in the future. We'd be back in that world as soon as VAR is scrapped.

Hardly a shocking mistake at all, the width of a human hair. Football is a fantastic game now being gradually spoiled by technology for which it isn’t suited.

 

[Nathan Gunn]

Pre VAR the headline of the game would be that United were robbed by a shocking mistake from the linesman. There'd be talk of Man Utd suing the FA and a replay. You'd get a clamour for VAR to stop these mistakes in the future. We'd be back in that world as soon as VAR is scrapped.

No one with the naked eye would be calling that decision a shocking mistake. 99% of people would look at that and say he’s level

There’s always be a clamour for VAR whenever these a howler from a ref/linesman granted, but this isn’t a howler. Close calls like that should always go in the favour of the striker

 

[Matnab]

Hardly a shocking mistake at all, the width of a human hair. Football is a fantastic game now being gradually spoiled by technology for which it isn’t suited.

I agree it wasn't a shocking mistake but your average football fan isn't nearly as forgiving when it goes against your club.

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

I might be exaggerating but there was a lot of talk about teams being financially damaged by incorrect offside calls that badly needed technological support. The truth is with the naked eye you will constantly get clangers.

That goal Coventry scored today could in no way, shape or form have been described as a clanger had it stood. They’d have poured over it in the studio and probably concluded that they were level and possibly would have said great decision linesman. That’s how tiny the margin was.

Technology has added absolutely zilch there. It’s negatively impacted a great FA Cup story and sucked joy out of a magnificent sport

 

[den]

Var definitely ruining the game and still has dodgy decisions, also very unfair, when you have a Premier League team who play every game with var, against a team that very rarely play games with var.

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

It’s offside. It’s actually the right decision

You either want the right decision (more often) or you complain when you get a stinker

On ones like that I'm never sure if the technology is accurate enough tbh. Is it the exact millisecond the ball is struck? No idea how accurate it is, but if you're ruling goals out for what looks like millimeters then you've got to be incredibly certain there's no need to build in a margin for error.

There's no easy answer, as I know that most alternatives simply ends up having similar fractions in different places, but I do think they need to look at the laws. Ultimately, they might (accuracy of technology permitting) have got it right there. But offside was brought in when no one thought it was possible to be that accurate. It was brought in to prevent goal hanging, not to rule goals like that out over the most minimal, and questionable, margins. Not sure how to change it, but this isn't what it was brought in for and if they're changing the technology they need to consider if the law needs to be tweaked

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

I agree it wasn't a shocking mistake but your average football fan isn't nearly as forgiving when it goes against your club.

And that’s part of it! The irrationality of reaction is also something that adds character to the sport.

 

[Vicham]

How come technology hasn’t ruined cricket, or rugby, or tennis who all use technology to review decisions even after a wicket or a try?

Because they are completely different sports. Much more stop and go with natural breaks.

 

[Seasick Pete]

If VAR's 'ruined' football then you probably never liked the sport that much anyway.

Ruined it ffs. Grown men don't half go on bairns when it comes to VAR and referees.

What the hell is this supposed to mean?
I’ve been watching football for sixty years - spending a fortune in the process - so I think it’s fair to assume that I do quite ‘like the sport’. I am also of the opinion that VAR is an absolute abomination.
Do you (or anyone else on here) believe VAR has actually enhanced the experience, especially for the match-going supporters?

 

[Fact Hunt]

Because they are completely different sports. Much more stop and go with natural breaks.

That was such a stupid analogy that I’m surprised you even bothered to reply to it.

 

[Mnemonic]

Var isn’t the issue. All that var did was make sure the rules were applied, if you think that goal should have stood, you need to change the offside rule, not hope officials don’t spot it

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

Spot on. The way the rules are currently written they have to disallow the goal as he’s offisde.

Hopefully there will be far less complaints next season when there won’t be any humans involved in the decision process only confirming what the computer does.

As it's all done by computer, they should change the VAR graphic.

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[PitYacker]

The rule used to be if it’s as close as level as to make it difficult to decide give the benefit of doubt to the attacker. He had no advantage at all due to his position and to be honest the technology is not even good enough for people to decide whether he’s offside or not anyway. I’ll draw a line in photoshop and I could make that look onside. A Manchester final is what was wanted and that’s what we got.

 

[tunstallhill]

He wasn't offside so not only is it ruining the spectacle of why we love football , it gets decisions wrong constantly

I've said it a million times, it takes so much away without adding anything

 

[MadMackem10]

The issue is they didn’t adapt the rules to fit the technology. Simply have a margin of error and if the distance between the points is less than this margin you stay with the on field decision.

 

[Wakoro]

That's a fact - totally agree

I don't think you understand what a fact is sir. That was an opinion.

In my opinion it hasn't ruined football, that's so melodramatic and OTT. More people than ever are watching the premier league. It continues to grow at rapid pace. If it had been ruined then the opposite would be true, no?

VAR has helped remove those painful and angering wrong decisions by referees that we experienced for decades. Sunderland have lost plenty of important games through bad refereeing. The refs just need to get better at using it properly as they are still making wrong calls despite having 3 officials watching it.

This goal was clearly offside, not by much but still offside. I can't comprehend how anyone can be angry that an offside goal was disallowed. Basically people are suggesting we ignore the rules of the game just to create an exciting moment. So perhaps offsides rules should be changed to allow them if it's less than an inch or two? Is that what you people want?

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

The rule used to be if it’s as close as level as to make it difficult to decide give the benefit of doubt to the attacker. He had no advantage at all due to his position and to be honest the technology is not even good enough for people to decide whether he’s offside or not anyway. I’ll draw a line in photoshop and I could make that look onside. A Manchester final is what was wanted and that’s what we got.

He wasn't offside so not only is it ruining the spectacle of why we love football , it gets decisions wrong constantly

I've said it a million times, it takes so much away without adding anything

He was offside and it wasn't even as close as some believe. Images on Twitter show what it would look like without the lines and I waffled on about it 2 pages ago.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/var-has-ruined-top-level-football.1632082/page-5#post-40539049

The issue is they didn’t adapt the rules to fit the technology. Simply have a margin of error and if the distance between the points is less than this margin you stay with the on field decision.

There is an error of margin yet some still don't even know about it yet this is the 3rd season it's been in use. Some also can't grasp that lines on a TV screen aren't the same scale as real life and make it look closer. Yet look at the linesman closeup in the link about or the examples I show in this old post below

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threa...orts-ultra-hdr-⚽️.1616367/page-7#post-3915857

 

[Matnab]

I don't think you understand what a fact is sir. That was an opinion.

In my opinion it hasn't ruined football, that's so melodramatic and OTT. More people than ever are watching the premier league. It continues to grow at rapid pace. If it had been ruined then the opposite would be true, no?

VAR has helped remove those painful and angering wrong decisions by referees that we experienced for decades. Sunderland have lost plenty of important games through bad refereeing. The refs just need to get better at using it properly as they are still making wrong calls despite having 3 officials watching it.

This goal was clearly offside, not by much but still offside. I can't comprehend how anyone can be angry that an offside goal was disallowed. Basically people are suggesting we ignore the rules of the game just to create an exciting moment. So perhaps offsides rules should be changed to allow them if it's less than an inch or two? Is that what you people want?

Nobody would've cared less if it had been Man Utd on the end of that decision getting a last minute winner disallowed. It's just another example of fans finding fault with officiating when it doesn't suit their preferred outcome.

 

[HellsBells]

I don't think you understand what a fact is sir. That was an opinion.

In my opinion it hasn't ruined football, that's so melodramatic and OTT. More people than ever are watching the premier league. It continues to grow at rapid pace. If it had been ruined then the opposite would be true, no?

VAR has helped remove those painful and angering wrong decisions by referees that we experienced for decades. Sunderland have lost plenty of important games through bad refereeing. The refs just need to get better at using it properly as they are still making wrong calls despite having 3 officials watching it.

This goal was clearly offside, not by much but still offside. I can't comprehend how anyone can be angry that an offside goal was disallowed. Basically people are suggesting we ignore the rules of the game just to create an exciting moment. So perhaps offsides rules should be changed to allow them if it's less than an inch or two? Is that what you people want?

There are split opinions between us on this thread over whether it was on or off. Two hours after the game and with the benefit of a photo and some lines.

If you think that’s “clearly offside” then I respectfully disagree.

 

[Matnab]

There are split opinions between us on this thread over whether it was on or off. Two hours after the game and with the benefit of a photo and some lines.

If you think that’s “clearly offside” then I respectfully disagree.

All I've seen is people whinging saying it was only just offside. Hardly anyone has actually claimed he was on.