VAR has ruined top level football.

[Daffy]

Ruined the game imo

 

[chrismisterx]

Yes it's an image off Twitter I've hoyed lines on a frame later. The ball has moved slightly but not the feet of the players and if anything, it's Bissaka who would have moved more as Coventry player is more static. I just didn't say as my post was already an essay!

yea, it was very interesting post mate and you made some great points.

But when is the right frame to use from the point of view when is it classed the ball is kicked, something I never thought about before, as I was always looking at the lines.

Can you score with your hand?

Maradona did...

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

Literally the only way to stop fans moaning about handballs and coming out with sh*t like 'no one knows the rules anymore'. It's pathetic that we will end up having to implement sh*te rules like the one you are suggesting to appease the childish football public.

The rules are clear but the interpretation of incidences are very subjective and people can’t cope with that. It’s understandable. I really don’t think it’s that stupid to just say if it hits the arm, it’s handball. Then subjectivity is taken out of it. You’d see loads more penalties and free kicks but who doesn’t like more goals being scored? I’d happily see some 7-5s

Bring back the goal moochers

Why aye! Let’s see how high Klopp and Guardiola want to play their defensive line with Gary Goalmouth prowling the six yard box for 90 minutes

 

[White city Boy]

They’ve killed the game stone dead. That decision today is a disgrace. A toenail offside and you take away what would have been one of the most amazing FA cup stories of all time .

And the people who make the decisions won’t care one bit .
Thank god we don’t have it in and if they utter one word regarding bringing it in to the Championship and lower leagues we should protest to the point they have to listen

 

[Nathan Gunn]

Irrespective of the outcome, VAR simply being there ruined that moment. Injury time winner to complete one of the best come backs in FA Cup history, championship side against Man Utd, their whole end erupted!

Then after all that, everyone stands around for a few minutes while we wait for someone to start drawing lines. Even if that turned out to be onside by a fraction, the whole celebration was ruined completely.

I’ve never been a fan of VAR and would happily see it binned off. Refereeing decisions were just a part of the game, you win some you lose some.

Now we still have the same incompetence and frustrations, but without the raw emotion that moments like that should bring to the game. Shite imo

 

[Alfies Hat]

Just abolish offside. It’ll be great. It’ll make the top coaches have to rethink their entire way of playing. Be hellish

Yet Dodds would still play for a 0 - 0.

 

[Matnab]

The rules are clear but the interpretation of incidences are very subjective and people can’t cope with that. It’s understandable. I really don’t think it’s that stupid to just say if it hits the arm, it’s handball. Then subjectivity is taken out of it. You’d see loads more penalties and free kicks but who doesn’t like more goals being scored? I’d happily see some 7-5s

You could make a case that it's the defenders responsibility to avoid it hitting their arm but you'd get players actively trying to fire the ball against a hand. It'd be a very unsatisfactory solution imo.

The handball rule should be completely subjective and amount to one simple question...

Has the player sought to gain an advantage by using their arm?

Simple judgement. Get on with it.

 

[Steak Pie]

They need to look at what the offside law was brought in for - presumably to stop goal-hanging.
Nobody’s going to do that so imo it needs a rethink. The obvious solution being the opposite way round so as long as the attacker has one part of his body equal to the last defender he is ok.

So you've just moved the line of contention back about 2 feet, so now what?

First tight offside and you've got the same argument.

This was offside and the goal was wiped off, some Coventry fans went mental thinking they'd won the game, then later on cried their eyes out. Fantastic television.

 

[viccarlton]

Can you score with your hand?

Maradona did

 

[Fact Hunt]

Var is precisely the reason why I’m not fussed if we don’t get back in the top-flight.
The thought of being present at a match with var does not appeal at all.
In an era when most other sports are looking to speed up the decision making, football is hell bent on going the other way.

 

[Matnab]

Irrespective of the outcome, VAR simply being there ruined that moment. Injury time winner to complete one of the best come backs in FA Cup history, championship side against Man Utd, their whole end erupted!

Then after all that, everyone stands around for a few minutes while we wait for someone to start drawing lines. Even if that turned out to be onside by a fraction, the whole celebration was ruined completely.

I’ve never been a fan of VAR and would happily see it binned off. Refereeing decisions were just a part of the game, you win some you lose some.

Now we still have the same incompetence and frustrations, but without the raw emotion that moments like that should bring to the game. Shite imo

Pre VAR the headline of the game would be that United were robbed by a shocking mistake from the linesman. There'd be talk of Man Utd suing the FA and a replay. You'd get a clamour for VAR to stop these mistakes in the future. We'd be back in that world as soon as VAR is scrapped.

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

You could make a case that it's the defenders responsibility to avoid it hitting their arm but you'd get players actively trying to fire the ball against a hand. It'd be a very unsatisfactory solution imo.

The handball rule should be completely subjective and amount to one simple question...

Has the player sought to gain an advantage by using their arm?

Simple judgement. Get on with it.

Subjective though. Unless they introduce the brain technology that Jim Carrey’s Riddler used in Batman Forever.

If players are skilful enough to kick it off the arm, they’ve earned their penalty. And more goals = more drama = more entertainment.

Pre VAR the headline of the game would be that United were robbed by a shocking mistake from the linesman. There'd be talk of Man Utd suing the FA and a replay. You'd get a clamour for VAR to stop these mistakes in the future. We'd be back in that world as soon as VAR is scrapped.

That didn’t happen before.

 

[Wakoro]

Are people really saying we should ignore offsides because they want a spectacle or exciting moment? For that matter we could change the offside rule to allow offsides if it's only inches...

VAR isn't the problem, it's the incompetent refs who can't use it properly. Pretty much all sports have it but it's only footy that can't utilise it properly.

 

[MadMackem10]

They’ve killed the game stone dead. That decision today is a disgrace. A toenail offside and you take away what would have been one of the most amazing FA cup stories of all time .

And the people who make the decisions won’t care one bit .
Thank god we don’t have it in and if they utter one word regarding bringing it in to the Championship and lower leagues we should protest to the point they have to listen

So you are saying they should choose to ignore the rules so it’s more entertaining?

 

[Karl]

Some utter troglodytes on here. VAR is the best thing that has happened to soccer in the last 150 years.

 

[Matnab]

Subjective though. Unless they introduce the brain technology that Jim Carrey’s Riddler used in Batman Forever.

If players are skilful enough to kick it off the arm, they’ve earned their penalty. And more goals = more drama = more entertainment.


That didn’t happen before.

I might be exaggerating but there was a lot of talk about teams being financially damaged by incorrect offside calls that badly needed technological support. The truth is with the naked eye you will constantly get clangers.

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

Its interesting , it looks level but if you go down to pixels its off side, but look at the player kicking the ball, has the ball left the foot of the player, is that the moment the ball was kicked to draw the line? It was noted by someone on the thread the picture is on that a milli second later and the man u player would be playing him on side, so is that the right frame to draw the lines on?

Linesman are told to not make calls now, just in case, so we will never know if the linesman would have flagged up, mind I think it was a harsh pen.

its very subjective still and a lot depends on when the action is frozen for the lines to be drawn.

You may know but there are others who don't know this part of the offside rule. It's not when the ball leaves the foot, it's the first point of contact with the ball so a scooped up pass would be earlier for example.

This is all changing next season anyway as VAR will be semi-automated as the ball has a sensor in that works at 500 times a second. No doubt some won't be happy but it will be slightly more accurate as it tracks summit like 27 parts of the player in real-time so knows where they are. Any contentious decisions will be small margins but they could easily give an advantage to the attacker then any offsides theoretically will have been offside. It will only be the close onsides that will be debatable as they 'may' have been offside by a toenail but they will still be given as onside so not to stop goals being scored.

Aye the linesman don't flag as often when it's close as they don't want to call it wrong and kill the celebrations of a potential onside goal. They leave it to VAR instead and all the hate and vitriol is directed at VAR drawing lines. It obvious this is what happens as it's rare a linesman flags offside to be corrected later by VAR.

 

[MadMackem10]

Are people really saying we should ignore offsides because they want a spectacle or exciting moment? For that matter we could change the offside rule to allow offsides if it's only inches...

VAR isn't the problem, it's the incompetent refs who can't use it properly. Pretty much all sports have it but it's only footy that can't utilise it properly.

Spot on. The way the rules are currently written they have to disallow the goal as he’s offisde.

Hopefully there will be far less complaints next season when there won’t be any humans involved in the decision process only confirming what the computer does.

 

[MSC]

Say what you want its ruined football. Hopefully it doesn't stay around forever and branch into the championship. What a joke every single match I watch

That's a fact - totally agree

 

[Matnab]

VAR isn't the problem, it's the incompetent refs who can't use it properly. Pretty much all sports have it but it's only footy that can't utilise it properly.

We aren't utilising it at all. That's the problem. VAR has become pretty much redundant.