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Bizerk how a game of Cricket in a league of 6 divisions causes this much Agg and this much pointless confusion. Just play the game and be respectful. There’s always gonna be crack between teams which has happened for years. Too many daft rules now
 


Dadsarmy73 said:
So in relation to point 4 is no movement allowed as indicated by @columbo70 or unfair movement?
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Quick copy and paste from the link I posted above -

Laws 27.4 and 28.6 – Unfair movement by the fielding side

Until now, any member of the fielding side who moved unfairly, was punished only with a ‘Dead ball’ – potentially cancelling a perfectly good shot by the batter. Given the action is both unfair and deliberate, it will now see the batting side awarded 5 Penalty runs.
HawaySkin said:
Bizerk how a game of Cricket in a league of 6 divisions causes this much Agg and this much pointless confusion. Just play the game and be respectful. There’s always gonna be crack between teams which has happened for years. Too many daft rules now
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Don’t disagree with you, but it’s every league across the country that’s under the ECB league system. NEPL have it even worse - difference is, they seem to just accept it for what it is and they have hardly any issues that get to officer or panel, as any issues that do come up are just dealt with sensibly by clubs with consultation with the disciplinary officer (which all leagues require under this ECB guidance) - which is what I hope will happen in DNECL.
 
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ac arundez said:
You can just add but you must have been at a different meeting to me as at no point was supporters being banned from the league mentioned. Clubs can be punished under the new ECB RCR for failing to take reasonable action to control supporters. Very very simple - if a supporter is causing issues eg. Racial abuse, clubs can take action to stop it. Action could include anything from asking supporter to leave, to phoning lol or if ground is public park for instance. That in my opinion would be reasonable actions towards that individual.

The 48 likes comment wasn’t the greatest because that’s highly unlikely to happen. But it’s contextual again. If something is deemed to be of such a serious issue that is being supported by others by way of liking said comments, then under the new ECB RCR, the league “could” (not guaranteed to) take action.

We’ll sit and have a conversation about my debatable cricket experience at somepoint if you like and you can share what your achievements in the game have been across all levels, at that point I’ll make a decision on your debatable experience given the fact you like to come on social media hide behind a username and stir the pot.


No different to any other season if people act with common sense. If you don’t go on like a balloon then there’s literally no changes. If you choose too, just like in any other sport it will be dealt with.

Local football has had cash fines for players and lengthy bans for as long as I can remember. Likewise there have always been disciplinary procedures in local cricket with sanctions like bans etc for as long as I’ve played - all the ECB have done is centralised it, rightly or wrongly. So unless you go and play in Darlington and District league it’s the same everywhere up here, oh and even worse in NEPL where they’re governed by GCR (General Cricket Regulations) which is a 60 page document and is even more serious.
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Its not International cricket you know...its just a game for a few to relax , let off steam and enjoy.....the way it was outlined last night was way over the top in my opinion....people are allowed to swear , knock off a bail if they are out , slam bat on ground without been headhunted by a power crazed disciplinarian......your hiding behind MCC rules by passing the buck onto them but we all know its a power trip. It was drummed into us that we MUST adhere to these rules no exceptions and people will be banned or fined......for goodness sake......yes if anyone is abusive to another player and is way over the top , then yes, he should be reported but I fear you just encouraging Umpires to take a ridiculous line of reporting players and treating them schoolkids and informing the Headmaster. You ll end up with people just packing in and you will have no cricket at all.

As for other chnages then I cant understand why you encourage Mankands.....even in Professional cricket umpires have to refer it to third umpire cos they cant tell if bowler was in the gather of the delivery.....its just a joke

As for your demostration on wides i totally disagree with your opinion.

You seem a bit arrogant....maybe you should look at your own discipline. I really can see people getting fed up if you continue
 
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ac arundez said:
Quick copy and paste from the link I posted above -

Laws 27.4 and 28.6 – Unfair movement by the fielding side

Until now, any member of the fielding side who moved unfairly, was punished only with a ‘Dead ball’ – potentially cancelling a perfectly good shot by the batter. Given the action is both unfair and deliberate, it will now see the batting side awarded 5 Penalty runs.
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Yeah that’s fair enough in my opinion. If no movement were to be allowed that would just be bizarre.

For the record, I fully believe that umpires should be respected and the game should be played in the correct “spirit”. I just can’t help thinking though that the rules here are just far too complex for club cricket and will open up a whole can of worms for the umpires.

How on Earth is one umpire going to watch all the fielders for unfair movement?

And I’m not blaming the local league officials for this, but I think these nuances to the laws are designed for a higher level of game. It’s simply too much for local league umpire to manage by himself.

Personally I think those playing local league cricket should recognise that it is local league cricket, play to the basic set of laws of the game, enjoy it and not think that every game is an ashes series test match.

Of course the ridiculous amount of money being paid to bang average players has changed the concept that local league cricket is an amateur recreation.

I think micromanaging the laws and players will lead to a huge drop off of players and deter any potential umpires from taking it up.
 
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columbo70 said:
Its not International cricket you know...its just a game for a few to relax , let off steam and enjoy.....the way it was outlined last night was way over the top in my opinion....people are allowed to swear , knock off a bail if they are out , slam bat on ground without been headhunted by a power crazed disciplinarian......your hiding behind MCC rules by passing the buck onto them but we all know its a power trip. It was drummed into us that we MUST adhere to these rules no exceptions and people will be banned or fined......for goodness sake......yes if anyone is abusive to another player and is way over the top then yes he should be reported but I fear you just encouraging Umpires to take a ridiculous line of reporting us like schoolkids to the Headmaster. You ll end up with people just packing in and you will have no cricket at all.

As for other chnages then I cant understand why you encourage Mankands.....even in Professional cricket umpires have to refer it to third umpire cos they cant tell if bowler was in the gather of the delivery.....its just a joke

As for your demostration on wides i totally disagree with your opinion.

You seem a bit arrogant....maybe you should look at your own discipline. I really can see people getting fed up if you continue
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I think you’re confusing me with someone else as I didn’t give any demonstrations of wides. I also don’t have any opinion on wides - I have pasted a link to the laws of cricket, that’s as far as my opinion goes on it. Leave the rest to go the man in the coat.

I’m also not arrogant, I’m simply administering the rules of the game as given to us by MCC and ECB.

I qualify know it’s not an international game of cricket, do I agree with the RCR? Not fully, no. Do I think it will make a difference to the game, slightly in that it ensures that some of the behaviour that people have gotten away with - won’t any longer, but it’s just another set of rules that come from the lawmakers that we have to accept that on the main when you read the detail are pretty much common sense.

Unfortunately there are many in the DNECL who would twist on 21 instead of accepting it is what it is. But what I will do is defend when defence is required to ridiculous posts that suggest it’s the league making all these new laws and regulations up. But yes, they’re rules and need adhering too, rules and regs set by those that govern the game, not the league. Did you want us to say, oh all these new standards have come in for every ECB league across the country but don’t worry lads, we aren’t bothering and will just make our own stuff up? Have a day off man.

I’ve sworn many times on a field, but what you say isn’t factually right under the laws of the game, people aren’t allowed to swear or slam bat down etc. Does it happen yes, will it continue to happen? Absolutely, but it isn’t “allowed”. Will there be an increase of reports of people doing it? No, highly highly unlikely, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that as a league we have to give all clubs the detail that is required by ECB/MCC - I’m not hiding behind either of them at all. It’s just plain fact.

We also aren’t encouraging mankads at all, it was stated by those presenting that it’s simply now an MCC law that is allowed without a warning - so if you have an issue with the laws of cricket get yourself down to lords and stick your petition in.
 
ac arundez said:
I think you’re confusing me with someone else as I didn’t give any demonstrations of wides. I also don’t have any opinion on wides - I have pasted a link to the laws of cricket, that’s as far as my opinion goes on it. Leave the rest to go the man in the coat.

I’m also not arrogant, I’m simply administering the rules of the game as given to us by MCC and ECB.

I qualify know it’s not an international game of cricket, do I agree with the RCR? Not fully, no. Do I think it will make a difference to the game, slightly in that it ensures that some of the behaviour that people have gotten away with - won’t any longer, but it’s just another set of rules that come from the lawmakers that we have to accept that on the main when you read the detail are pretty much common sense.

Unfortunately there are many in the DNECL who would twist on 21 instead of accepting it is what it is. But what I will do is defend when defence is required to ridiculous posts that suggest it’s the league making all these new laws and regulations up. But yes, they’re rules and need adhering too, rules and regs set by those that govern the game, not the league. Did you want us to say, oh all these new standards have come in for every ECB league across the country but don’t worry lads, we aren’t bothering and will just make our own stuff up? Have a day off man.

I’ve sworn many times on a field, but what you say isn’t factually right under the laws of the game, people aren’t allowed to swear or slam bat down etc. Does it happen yes, will it continue to happen? Absolutely, but it isn’t “allowed”. Will there be an increase of reports of people doing it? No, highly highly unlikely, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that as a league we have to give all clubs the detail that is required by ECB/MCC - I’m not hiding behind either of them at all. It’s just plain fact.

We also aren’t encouraging mankads at all, it was stated by those presenting that it’s simply now an MCC law that is allowed without a warning - so if you have an issue with the laws of cricket get yourself down to lords and stick your petition in.
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Apologies if you were not there last night but if you were , then we all know who was doing the demonstartions and this is who I was refering to in my first post about "so called cricket experts" ...its to him my posts have been aimed at.......and yes he will be on a power trip. This is where I am coming from, the man you have as Discipline Officer will take it to a new level and piss people off , he has a history of it. When you say nothing will change , I truely hope so , but after witnessing his demonstrations last night and his ridiculous strict code to umpires I fear the worse.

I will leave you with this , which is the Facebook post on the Durham & NE Cricket League advertising the meeting on March 13th which says it all.....quote :-

The RCR (Recreational Cricket Regulations) are a new set of standards that the ECB are implementing covering things such as disciplinary (on field and off field) and sanctions that can impact clubs, individual players as well as Captains failing to take ownership of players actions - if you can’t make it, please ensure that your club is represented.
A reminder to clubs that disciplinary action will be taken against clubs who don’t have any representation at all at the meeting tomorrow night.
 
Dadsarmy73 said:
Yeah that’s fair enough in my opinion. If no movement were to be allowed that would just be bizarre.

For the record, I fully believe that umpires should be respected and the game should be played in the correct “spirit”. I just can’t help thinking though that the rules here are just far too complex for club cricket and will open up a whole can of worms for the umpires.

How on Earth is one umpire going to watch all the fielders for unfair movement?

And I’m not blaming the local league officials for this, but I think these nuances to the laws are designed for a higher level of game. It’s simply too much for local league umpire to manage by himself.

Personally I think those playing local league cricket should recognise that it is local league cricket, play to the basic set of laws of the game, enjoy it and not think that every game is an ashes series test match.

Of course the ridiculous amount of money being paid to bang average players has changed the concept that local league cricket is an amateur recreation.

I think micromanaging the laws and players will lead to a huge drop off of players and deter any potential umpires from taking it up.
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Good post. And honestly, if you take the time to read the RCR (even the abridged version, as I’ve said 95% of it is just common sense. Applying respect, spirit of cricket etc.

The truth is local unpires aren’t going to fundamentally chance the way the umpire a game off the back of the RCR, and they shouldn’t need to do so either.

I don’t disagree that some of the regs are too complex for “local cricket”, but it’s worth noting again (I’ve mentioned above), that other local leagues (NEPL, NYSD, all Prem Leagues etc) are governed by the GCR, 60 pages! Same as Minor counties and FC - even worse in my own opinion. But, no public twisting at the NEPL exec, just a level of acceptance that actually, league execs haven’t got a choice here, unless we leave the ECB system. If we didn’t that, we’d stop teams getting promoted etc and we’d be back into yet another huge shake up of the league system.

I’m more than happy to report back come September on whether disciplinary has improved or declined - my expectation is that it’ll pretty much be the same as before if people act as before.

One thing for certain is that as an unpaid volunteer (who is not the Disciplinaty officer by the way) who may have to sit on a disc. panel, I haven’t got the time, want or desire to sit on disciplinary meets every week talking about behaviour that could be dealt with by clubs. I have a very busy career, a young family and I’ll be damned if I’m adding even more time into what is already a time consuming role being league sec.

If that happens, there’ll be a phone call going into clubs, who the overwhelming majority I have a fantastic relationship with, to speak to their exec members or captains to have a sensible conversation and get them to nip issues in the bud. Which is incidentally what happens in prem leagues, the majority of clubs deal with issues internally and nobody else gets involved from a league side - that’s where I hope we get to very quickly.
columbo70 said:
Apologies if you were not there last night but if you were , then we all know who was doing the demonstartions and this is who I was refering to in my first post about "so called cricket experts" ...its to him my posts have been aimed at.......and yes he will be on a power trip. This is where I am coming from, the man you have as Discipline Officer will take it to a new level and piss people off , he has a history of it. When you say nothing will change , I truely hope so , but after witnessing his demonstrations last night and his ridiculous strict code to umpires I fear the worse.

I will leave you with this , which is the Facebook post on the Durham & NE Cricket League advertising the meeting on March 13th which says it all.....quote :-

The RCR (Recreational Cricket Regulations) are a new set of standards that the ECB are implementing covering things such as disciplinary (on field and off field) and sanctions that can impact clubs, individual players as well as Captains failing to take ownership of players actions - if you can’t make it, please ensure that your club is represented.
A reminder to clubs that disciplinary action will be taken against clubs who don’t have any representation at all at the meeting tomorrow night.
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I was there last night, I’m the league Secretary who spoke at the start and the end. So I was one of the “cricket experts” you refer to. Like I said, more than happy to have a chat with you about my cricket experience both on field and in the administrative side of things to see if I have the credentials in your opinion to be in position.

The Disciplinary Officer will have to follow that RCR, simple as that, he can’t go off on his own accord. The league can’t allow that to happen, which it won’t.

The Facebook post does say it all -

- new set of standards from ECB ✅
- covers on and off field ✅
- captains can be sanctioned for failing to control players ✅ (actually soenthing in my 27 years of playing cricket has always been the case by the way - let’s not forget that)
- Clubs face disciplinary for non attendance ✅ (which would have been from a list of possible sanctions - and rightly so. Every league I’ve been involved in has dished out fines or points deductions for non attendance of league meetings - we haven’t done this in DNECL but some clubs have started taking the piss, being candid. I have tried my best to bring this league tahts only a few years old into the 21st century by conducting several meetings including AGMs over the last few years via online/virtual meetings. I have cut down the number of management meetings etc that clubs need to attend, no monthly etc and yet there are still some clubs who don’t bother attending or repainting to things. So how do we get them engaged otherwise?

Non attendance or responding to very simple requests is not acceptable. I’m a very fair person that dedicates a boat load of time for the greater good, do we get it all right? No. Do I listen and learn and be as fair as poss? Yes. But I won’t stand by and be slagged off as a league for something we don’t have any control over). I’m also not spending my time running around after people who can’t respond to a simple email or request from me to provide info or to attend a meeting. It’s pure ignorance. This isn’t a league with 12 member clubs. It’s almost triple the effort with 34 clubs and almost 100 sides in all divisions, trying to get key messages and actions out - so yeah, face to face was definitely the right way of doing it last night. If clubs hadn’t turned up, fines don’t and haven’t worked, so things like points deductions are the only way that club admin is going to improve as otherwise people like me will get sick, walk away and then you’ll see how professional or organised any structure that would be left will be - let me tell you, if you think it’s bad now, look at what it has been like previously, it would be 1000 times worse if it was just left to run itself, it would be anarchy.)

So I’ll leave you with this, if you would like a chat and a coffee (or beer) or even just a phone call to share with me how you’d do it, without hiding behind a faceless name on a forum, then the offer is there. I don’t live far from you I’d expect so it can easily be arranged. Otherwise, wish you and your club all the best for the season - I’m likely to be around this year so please do coke and introduce yourself, if you do great, if you don’t, that will say it all…
ac arundez said:
Good post. And honestly, if you take the time to read the RCR (even the abridged version, as I’ve said 95% of it is just common sense. Applying respect, spirit of cricket etc.

The truth is local unpires aren’t going to fundamentally chance the way the umpire a game off the back of the RCR, and they shouldn’t need to do so either.

I don’t disagree that some of the regs are too complex for “local cricket”, but it’s worth noting again (I’ve mentioned above), that other local leagues (NEPL, NYSD, all Prem Leagues etc) are governed by the GCR, 60 pages! Same as Minor counties and FC - even worse in my own opinion. But, no public twisting at the NEPL exec, just a level of acceptance that actually, league execs haven’t got a choice here, unless we leave the ECB system. If we didn’t that, we’d stop teams getting promoted etc and we’d be back into yet another huge shake up of the league system.

I’m more than happy to report back come September on whether disciplinary has improved or declined - my expectation is that it’ll pretty much be the same as before if people act as before.

One thing for certain is that as an unpaid volunteer (who is not the Disciplinaty officer by the way) who may have to sit on a disc. panel, I haven’t got the time, want or desire to sit on disciplinary meets every week talking about behaviour that could be dealt with by clubs. I have a very busy career, a young family and I’ll be damned if I’m adding even more time into what is already a time consuming role being league sec.

If that happens, there’ll be a phone call going into clubs, who the overwhelming majority I have a fantastic relationship with, to speak to their exec members or captains to have a sensible conversation and get them to nip issues in the bud. Which is incidentally what happens in prem leagues, the majority of clubs deal with issues internally and nobody else gets involved from a league side - that’s where I hope we get to very quickly.
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ac arundez said:
I’m likely to be around this year so please do coke and introduce yourself,
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Unfortunate typo there - can't see that helping the situation any. 🤣
Dadsarmy73 said:
So in relation to point 4 is no movement allowed as indicated by @columbo70 or unfair movement?
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Must admit that when I first read this my thought was 'Eh? They're saying fielders can no longer 'walk-in' with the bowler'.

I now get that it means any fielder actually moving from their initial position after the bowler has started their run-up - a subtle difference.
 
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Jap Stammer said:
Unfortunate typo there - can't see that helping the situation any. 🤣

Must admit that when I first read this my thought was 'Eh? They're saying fielders can no longer 'walk-in' with the bowler'.

I now get that it means any fielder actually moving from their initial position after the bowler has started their run-up - a subtle difference.
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Wonder if the RCR covers that? 😂 Absolute nightmare typing too fast on my phone, typos everywhere! Tried to edit it after posting but to no avail - had exceeded character limit 🤣🤣🤣
 
I played cricket for years, retired from it now. Would love to have a go at umpiring but I won't because of the number of loons around who simply have no respect for opposition players, spectators and definitely not the umpire.

I stopped playing in 1996 and then started playing again in 2002, I couldn't believe the fall in standards of players behaviour in that time. I gave up in about 2016 things hadn't improved at all.

I guess it's just how the world is... everyone seems to be so angry and self centred.
 
FatCat2402 said:
I played cricket for years, retired from it now. Would love to have a go at umpiring but I won't because of the number of loons around who simply have no respect for opposition players, spectators and definitely not the umpire.

I stopped playing in 1996 and then started playing again in 2002, I couldn't believe the fall in standards of players behaviour in that time. I gave up in about 2016 things hadn't improved at all.

I guess it's just how the world is... everyone seems to be so angry and self centred.
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I’m long long past 1s and 2s cricket but wanted to carry on keeping active so thought I’d give midweek 3rd team cricket a go (not in the leagues up here). Couldn’t believe the behaviour from some even there. Here was me thinking it was more of a social event, where yes you play to win, but not at all costs. Ended up feeling I was playing at the SCG in the deciding ashes game sometimes with the amount of abuse dished out. Gave it a couple of seasons and just packed in.
 
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I’m long long past 1s and 2s cricket but wanted to carry on keeping active so thought I’d give midweek 3rd team cricket a go (not in the leagues up here). Couldn’t believe the behaviour from some even there. Here was me thinking it was more of a social event, where yes you play to win, but not at all costs. Ended up feeling I was playing at the SCG in the deciding ashes game sometimes with the amount of abuse dished out. Gave it a couple of seasons and just packed in.
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Why not give the Sunday League a shout about umpiring? It's quite relaxed, well organized and umpires there appear to be well appreciated and valued.
 
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ac arundez said:
I shouldn’t bother responding to this but I will to provide some much needed context…

To address each point -

1. An ECB requirement for all leagues under their banner
2. MCC Laws of Cricket (new law for 2023) - nothing to do with league
3. ECB requirements (as point 1), league has to adopt all rules under RCR (Recreational Cricket Regulations), again nothing to do with league
4. MCC Laws of Cricket - see above
5. Can’t win, absolutely boat loads of complaints from the last two seasons rule on this, explored option of bringing in Duckworth lewis, couldn’t be implemented across divisions 1-6 effectively. So this rule you’re referring too was a rule from NEDCL which was proposed at the league AGM and voted 24 for, 4 against- so blame clubs if you don’t like it not league
6. Correct on div 1 & 2 points but the rest… MCC Laws of cricket - as above, new rule for 2023, so errr no, again nothing to do with league
7. Correct
8. Plain and simple was not said at all. The new ECB Regulations take into account social media usage. The example you have is completely inaccurate. Each case will be looked at so if you name and slag an umpire off it’s not an automatic ban at all, you’ll be taken down the ECB process and outcome will be decided based upon case. Also naming people and slagging people off (which goes on a lot) is not free speech, it’s potentially slanderous. I’ve had it myself and as a volunteer running round doing what I do (we do as an Exec), I don’t do it for the good of my health I can assure you, so getting slagged off on social media isn’t something I or anyone else will accept. It’s not accepted in NEPL or NYSD and we have had a social media policy covering this since league inception - so whilst it’s formal under new ECB RCR, it’s not new to league.

Last point, if you’re struggling to explain what is a really simple set of regulations for anyone with half a brain cell to interpret, then I suggest firstly to read the RCR documentation from ECB, pick up the phone to me who’ll give a balanced view (95% of the RCR is complete common sense).

If you want to have an adult conversation you’ll know who I am and where I am, so don’t hide behind faceless usernames on here and give it big licks because the majority of what you’ve said is leagues fault above, is down to ECB and MCC.


No. We are adopting the rules of the game as we are required to do. Do yourself a favour and check out new MCC laws for 2023 on google before taking aim at the DNECL.


Genuine, happy reading - MCC's new code of Laws for 2022 come into force
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Well done sir. Can I also make the point rule 4 is for close in fielders not those walking in
 
FatCat2402 said:
I played cricket for years, retired from it now. Would love to have a go at umpiring but I won't because of the number of loons around who simply have no respect for opposition players, spectators and definitely not the umpire.

I stopped playing in 1996 and then started playing again in 2002, I couldn't believe the fall in standards of players behaviour in that time. I gave up in about 2016 things hadn't improved at all.

I guess it's just how the world is... everyone seems to be so angry and self centred.
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Yes agree totally. I am qualified and had one season umpiring….never again. I tried to give something back and every other game was awful. The anger in some players is so sad.
 
ac arundez said:
No different to any other season if people act with common sense. If you don’t go on like a balloon then there’s literally no changes. If you choose too, just like in any other sport it will be dealt with.

Local football has had cash fines for players and lengthy bans for as long as I can remember. Likewise there have always been disciplinary procedures in local cricket with sanctions like bans etc for as long as I’ve played - all the ECB have done is centralised it, rightly or wrongly. So unless you go and play in Darlington and District league it’s the same everywhere up here, oh and even worse in NEPL where they’re governed by GCR (General Cricket Regulations) which is a 60 page document and is even more serious.
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To add to AC’s context, I used to be secretary for a local football club and disciplinary action for supporters (or club officials, they tried to call them) isn’t uncommon. There were numerous occasions where I’d get a letter/email from Durham FA asking us as a club to answer comments made by someone either at a game or online on social media. It’s the world we live in nowadays but as AC says, there has to be some sort of accountability involved - people can’t just go around saying whatever they want about strangers because if anyone ever took legal action the league would have to be seen to have done (or be doing) everything they could to stamp it out.
the_golfer said:
On another note, who decided to start the season on the 15th of April? Not a hope in hell of that happening. Surely common sense should prevail and go back to the old days of starting last Saturday in April and play longer into September.
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I don’t see what difference it makes really, apart from clubs getting fields/wickets prepared because they share with a football/rugby club. Certainly isn’t a weather issue because as we all know, that’s a f*cking lottery all year round anywhere :lol:
 
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