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UFO's

Scorer said:
I suppose UFO’s are usually identifiable by someone, even if that’s a specific individual that launched new tech etc.
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Yeah, a lot of the time I think they can at least be said to be "probably this" after analysis.

The "unidentified" label is usually attached when it's the initial observer that can't identify it immediately.
 

fyl2u said:
Yeah, a lot of the time I think they can at least be said to be "probably this" after analysis.

The "unidentified" label is usually attached when it's the initial observer that can't identify it immediately.
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Quite an amusing story and probably unrelated but a former colleague went on to run a battery company for submersibles and aircraft including military uses. Obv had to sign official secrets act and equivalent in a few other countries. Anyway him and his tech team were flown to dallas and were escorted to an unmarked private jet. Windows blocked etc. Flown to an unknown airbase and put in a blacked out jeep and driven to a warehouse with loads of seperate rooms, all of which had blinds closed and they were under specific instruction not to speak or attempt to anyone. They were given a single laptop with hard data only. Not the actual piece of kit and they were told to put together a presentation on the data recovered. Same process with the jet and exit too. Last he heard.

Thought it was quite interesting.
 
fyl2u said:
The problem is, for "UFOs" to have actually been aliens, it doesn't just require "planets out there with life on them."

You need planets with life on them, where the life has evolved sufficient intelligence to form civilisations and invent space travel, on planets that contain the
natural resources that would allow the development of industry, computers, rocket fuel and spacecraft, (bearing in mind how important fossil fuels have been to our own development of industry and space travel they would likely need to have also had similar past mass extinction events to ours).

All of this, PLUS they would need to have developed to this point in their scientific knowledge and industrial development at EXACTLY the right time in their history to overlap with the development of civilisation and space travel on our planet. Given the fact the universe is more than 13 BILLION years old, this throws an entire extra layer of miniscule unlikelihood on top of the already miniscule chance that all the conditions in the previous paragraph had been met.

If a civilisation were to reach their space travel era even one thousand years before us before wiping themselves out or running out of the resources necessary to continue their exploration, we would never meet them. And that's just a thousand years, which is a fraction of a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things in the history of the universe.
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You're missing the rather obvious one....

The observable universe is approximately 90 billion light years in diameter.

So it takes light 90 billion years to pass from one side to the other.

That's a long way

There are likely millions of life forms out there - and probably millions that have developed beyond humans & into space travel .

Given that there are probably a billion trillion suitable planets .

But they're so far away we will never know

Even if they are broadcasting something via radio / electromagnetic waves - it would take millions of years to reach us.

They themselves woukd never reach us as things like " wormholes" are likely science fiction for them as well as us
 
Slim999 said:
You reckon there's noone out there in the Universe then - 'cept for us 😉

That would be one hell of a statistical anomaly given that there are an estimated billion 'earth-like ' planets in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

And there are an estimated 2 Trillion galaxies in the observable universe .

So thats billions of billions of dead rocks out there. Pretty unlikely.

But , I agree - they're all a VERY long way away and I doubt we've ever had a visit.
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It's technically incorrect to say there's no such thing as UFOs - that is , flying objects which haven't been identified. What is certain is that there is no proof that Earth has ever been visited by space aliens in flying saucers.

It's highly likely that there is life of some sort elsewhere in the Universe but there's no evidence or proof of that.

The distances involved in just our own galaxy mean that the chance of us ever meeting an alien species is practically zero.
 
tonyfromalnwick said:
Yet the universe is only about 14 billion years old. How can it expand so far without breaking light-speed ?
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The larger the distance there is between 2 objects the more space there is to expand between them ergo the faster the two objects move away from each other.

Space doesnt expand at a speed either it expands at a rate.
Distance over time over distance
 
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tonyfromalnwick said:
Yet the universe is only about 14 billion years old. How can it expand so far without breaking light-speed ?
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Intelligent question .

I don't have the answer ....

Only to say that there are many things we humans dont understand about the universe, matter , space, time etc...

Example:- Gravity - we can see its effects, but we can't define how or why it exists

You might expect the Universe diameter to be about 28 billion light-years (2x the estimated age of the universe, (14 billion years) multiplied by the speed of light).

However, the universe has been expanding since the Big Bang.

The farthest objects we can see emitted their light about 14 billion years ago

- but, due to the expansion of space, those objects are now much farther away than the distance the light traveled - approximately 46 billion light-years away from us. ( ie 90 billion light-years observable universe diameter ... if we consider ourselves at the centre point)

We cannot see objects further out than this because that light hasn't yet reached us

The ESA Planck Mission (which measured Cosmic Microwave Background) resulting data estimated that the entire universe may be 250 times bigger than the observed universe ..

..... or perhaps even infinite ♾️
 
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Slim999 said:
Intelligent question .

I don't have the answer ....

Only to say that there are many things we humans dont understand about the universe, matter , space, time etc...

Example:- Gravity - we can see its effects, but we can't define how or why it exists

You might expect the Universe diameter to be about 28 billion light-years (2x the estimated age of the universe, (14 billion years) multiplied by the speed of light).

However, the universe has been expanding since the Big Bang.

The farthest objects we can see emitted their light about 14 billion years ago

- but, due to the expansion of space, those objects are now much farther away than the distance the light traveled - approximately 46 billion light-years away from us. ( ie 90 billion light-years observable universe diameter ... if we consider ourselves at the centre point)

We cannot see objects further out than this because that light hasn't yet reached us

The ESA Planck Mission (which measured Cosmic Microwave Background) resulting data estimated that the entire universe may be 250 times bigger than the observed universe ..

..... or perhaps even infinite ♾️
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Thing that bothers me is what I the universe expanding into.
 
In case this is of any interest to anyone.

There has been a recent scientific study published which is creating quite a stir.

Thousands of photos of the sky which were taken by the Palomar Sky Survey, a project that mapped the northern sky between 1949 and 1958, have been retrospectively analysed.

Researchers have analysed over 100,000 fleeting flashes and found significant correlations of these both with atomic tests and reports of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).

The photos were captured before any man-made satellites or other crafts were orbiting the Earth.

Data and further information can be found on the link below. I'd heard about this but haven't read the full report as yet. It's interesting that something was observed in space before humans on earth got there.

I think if anyone had beaten Sputkink they would have mentioned it.

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skullmeister said:
Ive posted a link on the 3I/Atlas thread to the latest images that I can find.

Yeah NASA withholding their images is odd. It seemed as though it would be a standard thing that they would realise the images but nothing was released and no explanation has been given. The US Govt closedown started the day before and is still continuing so that could be the reason why 🤷‍♂️
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Ms Luna has asked NASA to release the data.
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I really don’t think Loeb helps himself with his sensationalist statements sometimes, but he does get misquoted a lot and it does help keep the ‘…but what if?’ side of the discussion alive.
 
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skullmeister said:
In case this is of any interest to anyone.

There has been a recent scientific study published which is creating quite a stir.

Thousands of photos of the sky which were taken by the Palomar Sky Survey, a project that mapped the northern sky between 1949 and 1958, have been retrospectively analysed.

Researchers have analysed over 100,000 fleeting flashes and found significant correlations of these both with atomic tests and reports of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).

The photos were captured before any man-made satellites or other crafts were orbiting the Earth.

Data and further information can be found on the link below. I'd heard about this but haven't read the full report as yet. It's interesting that something was observed in space before humans on earth got there.

I think if anyone had beaten Sputkink they would have mentioned it.

You must be logged on to see external links
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Is this the work that has been done by Dr.Beatriz Villaroel?Watched a couple of interviews with her, really interesting stuff.
 
skullmeister said:
In case this is of any interest to anyone.

There has been a recent scientific study published which is creating quite a stir.

Thousands of photos of the sky which were taken by the Palomar Sky Survey, a project that mapped the northern sky between 1949 and 1958, have been retrospectively analysed.

Researchers have analysed over 100,000 fleeting flashes and found significant correlations of these both with atomic tests and reports of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).

The photos were captured before any man-made satellites or other crafts were orbiting the Earth.

Data and further information can be found on the link below. I'd heard about this but haven't read the full report as yet. It's interesting that something was observed in space before humans on earth got there.

I think if anyone had beaten Sputkink they would have mentioned it.

You must be logged on to see external links
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"Significant correlations with nuclear tests"?

Almost like creating the biggest and most powerful explosions humanity has ever seen might throw debris up into the atmosphere and create "fleeting flashes"?
 
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