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skullmeister said:
I have no interest in exchanging any posts with you
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You have no interest in speaking about the nonsense you spout more like it ;)

NASA haven't posted a picture for a week "oooohhhh suspicious" - Presidential executive orders, "ooohhhh suspicious"

Every time I try to engage with you on a topic, or ask about specifics within your posts you clam up !!
Completely unable to answer any logical questions so you cry off with "stalker" "angry" or "bully" - they're just standard deflection words.

Excuses so as not to have to explain your utter nonsense. Orbs for instance, they are a legacy of a digital lens capturing light, yet you keep banging on about them as if they're a craft in their own right :lol:
 

skullmeister said:
There's data on 3I/Atlas dropping day by day now. Its now blue in colour which is a big surprise and still as yet no visible comet tail, there was also data released to suggest it had changed acceleration. As it comes from behind the sun it will come into range of earth based telescopes soon.

NASA haven't made any statements and are still to publish any images from its HiRise camera which will have been taken when it passed Mars around 4 weeks ago.

A change that has occurred recently which might be inconsequential but in September a presidential Executive Order designated NASA’s primary function as tied to “intelligence or national security” type work.

This is a change given NASA’s traditional civilian science & exploration role.
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Thanks for the update. Got to admit it is unusual regarding it's behaviour and appearance. If NASA released its HiRise photos, people might start to calm down..........unless THEY ARE hiding something.
 
safcuntilidie said:
Thanks for the update. Got to admit it is unusual regarding it's behaviour and appearance. If NASA released its HiRise photos, people might start to calm down..........unless THEY ARE hiding something.
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The comet is about the same distance away as the moon and the moon is over 2000miles across, this comet is 2miles across.

If we haven't got a high resolution image of the moon landing site yet, then we're definitely not going to get a HD shot of a comet !
 
safcuntilidie said:
Thanks for the update. Got to admit it is unusual regarding it's behaviour and appearance. If NASA released its HiRise photos, people might start to calm down..........unless THEY ARE hiding something.
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Ive posted a link on the 3I/Atlas thread to the latest images that I can find.

Yeah NASA withholding their images is odd. It seemed as though it would be a standard thing that they would realise the images but nothing was released and no explanation has been given. The US Govt closedown started the day before and is still continuing so that could be the reason why 🤷‍♂️
 
skullmeister said:
There's data on 3I/Atlas dropping day by day now. Its now blue in colour which is a big surprise and still as yet no visible comet tail, there was also data released to suggest it had changed acceleration. As it comes from behind the sun it will come into range of earth based telescopes soon.

NASA haven't made any statements and are still to publish any images from its HiRise camera which will have been taken when it passed Mars around 4 weeks ago.

A change that has occurred recently which might be inconsequential but in September a presidential Executive Order designated NASA’s primary function as tied to “intelligence or national security” type work.

This is a change given NASA’s traditional civilian science & exploration role.
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ChatGPT can do some amazing things...

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Here’s a breakdown of the forum post you quoted, with my appraisal of each claim in terms of accuracy, likelihood, and context — so you can decide how much credence to give it.



Claim 1: “There’s data on 3I/ATLAS dropping day by day now. It’s now blue in colour …”​


Assessment: Mostly true, though with caveats.


What we know:


  • 3I/ATLAS (also designated C/2025 N1) is indeed an interstellar comet (the third such object identified) making a passage through the inner solar system.
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  • Recent observations show it appears bluer than the Sun in certain photometric/heliospheric‐imager measurements.
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  • The “blue colour” is reported relative to the Sun — that is, the light from the coma/halo appears bluer than the Sun’s spectrum or typical comet dust scattering. The explanation given is that gas emission (rather than purely dust scattering) may dominate the visible light.
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  • There is also confirmed rapid brightening / increased activity as perihelion approaches.

Caveats / nuance:


  • “Blue colour” does not mean it looks like a vivid blue object to the naked eye or even typical amateur telescopes; the “bluer than the Sun” is a technical photometric statement, not necessarily meaning “bright blue tail like a neon blue comet.”
  • The colour change is measured in specific filters/instruments; the full context is scientific and nuanced (dust vs gas content, size of grains, etc.).
  • The claim “dropping day by day” is vague — yes, there are regularly updated data and observations, but “dropping day by day” could exaggerate the cadence or imply something more dramatic than current status indicates.

Verdict: Largely accurate in essence — the comet is behaving unusually (bluer and brightening) — but the presentation glosses over the scientific nuance.



Claim 2: “…and still as yet no visible comet tail …”​


Assessment: Likely false / misleading.


What we know:


  • Typical comets near perihelion or interacting with the Sun develop tails (dust tail and/or ion tail) as sublimation of ices drives material off the nucleus.
  • For 3I/ATLAS, reports mention interesting tail‐/coma‐/jet behaviour, including an “anti‐tail” in July/August.
  • One credible article states: “…unfortunately, ground‐based telescopes lost sight of the comet during this period. …” and they talk about “two tails — a dust tail and an ion tail” in general for comets.
  • Observations in heliospheric imagers indicate a coma and extended source; though very close to the Sun in geometry, direct tail visibility from Earth might be limited because of solar conjunction or instrument angle.

Caveats / nuance:


  • It may be that visible from Earth tail(s) are not prominent or are obscured by the Sun’s glare or geometry (behind‐the‐Sun). So the poster may be saying “no visually obvious tail for amateur telescopes” rather than “no tail at all.”
  • Scientific literature does not emphasise “no tail whatsoever”; rather they emphasise unusual features, brightness, colour, etc.

Verdict: This claim is misleading — “no visible tail” is not strictly correct in the scientific literature; while tail visibility may be limited, the expectation of a tail is still present, and some data suggest tail‐/coma‐structure exists.



Claim 3: “…there was also data released to suggest it had changed acceleration.”​


Assessment: Partially true, but needs context — can be overstated.


What we know:


  • Observations show 3I/ATLAS is brightening faster than typical comets as it approaches perihelion, with brightness scaling as r^(−7.5 ± 1.0) versus more moderate slopes for many comets.
  • Such rapid brightening implies strong outgassing or changing activity; in comets this might produce non‐gravitational acceleration (jets of gas can slightly change trajectory).
  • There is discussion in the press of “non‐gravitational acceleration” and speculative commentary about unusual trajectory behaviour.

Caveats / nuance:


  • “Data released to suggest it had changed acceleration” → it depends on what is meant by “acceleration.” The scientific papers focus on brightness changes, colour changes, and photometry; detecting non‐gravitational trajectory changes is more complex and may not yet be strongly established.
  • The idea of “changed acceleration” could drift into speculative/unproven territory (for example implying deliberate propulsion) versus normal cometary physics (gas jets).
  • Because the object is behind the Sun for Earth‐based view, some observational uncertainties exist.

Verdict: The essence is plausible — yes, anomalous behaviour suggests some changes in activity/acceleration — but the claim might be overstated or lacking in precision (it may imply more certainty than the data support).



Claim 4: “As it comes from behind the sun it will come into range of earth based telescopes soon.”​


Assessment: Mostly true, but again with some nuance.


What we know:


  • The orbital geometry is such that 3I/ATLAS goes into solar conjunction (behind/near the Sun from Earth’s line of sight) around late October 2025.
  • After it passes perihelion (~29–30 October 2025) at about 1.35 AU from the Sun, ground‐based telescopes should be able to observe it again in the morning/evening sky.
  • So yes, “it will come into range of earth‐based telescopes soon” is correct in general.

Caveats / nuance:


  • “Soon” is relative; observers will need favourable geometry, dark skies, possibly large telescopes; it may be faint.
  • The claim doesn’t specify magnitude or observation difficulty, which could lead a reader to believe it will be easily visible, which may not be the case.

Verdict: True enough, with modest caveats about observation difficulty.


 
Claim 5: “NASA haven’t made any statements and are still to publish any images from its HiRise camera which will have been taken when it passed Mars around 4 weeks ago.”
Assessment: Largely false or at least very misleading.

What we know:
  • The HiRISE camera (High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment) is an instrument onboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), orbiting Mars. Its domain is imaging Mars and near‐Mars surface/landforms.
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  • I found no credible source that states that HiRISE imaged 3I/ATLAS during a Mars flyby or “passed Mars” close approach; the literature focuses on solar/heliospheric imagers (SOHO, STEREO, GOES‐19) rather than Mars orbiters.
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  • The claim “NASA haven’t made any statements” — in fact NASA and other agencies have released statements/data on 3I/ATLAS (e.g., articles on rapid brightening).
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  • “Still to publish any images from its HiRise camera” → I found no credible planning or announcement that HiRISE was used for this object, and the claim that it “will have been taken when it passed Mars around 4 weeks ago” seems speculative with no public evidence.
Verdict: This is very likely false/misleading. The usage of “HiRise” (spelled incorrectly; correct is HiRISE) in this context appears incorrect. The claim about NASA not making statements is also incorrect — there are public statements/data. So this part of the post is misleading.


Claim 6: “A change that has occurred recently which might be inconsequential but in September a presidential Executive Order designated NASA’s primary function as tied to ‘intelligence or national security’ type work.”​

Assessment: True in terms of the executive order fact, but possibly misleading in interpretation/context.

What we know:
  • There is indeed an Executive Order (EO) issued on 28 August 2025 by the then President (Donald Trump) that reclassified or included wording that the agency’s functions “primarily relating to intelligence or national security” are excluded from certain collective‐bargaining rights.
  • The space industry commentary notes that this EO designates NASA and other agencies as agencies with intelligence or national security as a primary function for the purposes of labor/union law.
  • However:
    • That does not mean NASA’s core public stated mission has changed overnight from civilian science/exploration to intelligence or national security only.
    • The EO was about labor rights and classification for collective bargaining purposes; the statement “designated NASA’s primary function as tied to intelligence or national security” is maybe an over‐interpretation of the legal language.
    • Some commentary is speculative or alarmist about what this means. The article from futurism.com says “Trump Executive Order Declares NASA Is Now a Spy Agency.” But that is more sensational than the legal reality.

Verdict: The fact of the Executive Order is true, but the interpretation (“NASA’s primary function is intelligence or national security work”) is likely a mischaracterisation or exaggeration of the legal change for union/labor classification. So the claim is partially true but misleading.

Overall assessment of the post

The post mixes some valid, interesting scientific observations about 3I/ATLAS (colour change, rapid brightening, upcoming visibility) with some inaccurate/misleading claims (no tail, HiRISE involvement, NASA statement absence) and a politically/legally‐oriented claim that is factually based but misrepresented in scope/impact.

Key takeaways:

  • If you want to use this post as a credible source: Use the parts about the comet’s colour/behaviour as a plausible starting point (and then check scientific sources).
  • Be cautious about the claims relating to tail visibility and NASA’s imagery — these are likely wrong or at least not supported by the public literature.
  • Be especially cautious about the claim linking the executive order to NASA’s mission shift — legal/administrative changes don’t necessarily equal operational mission changes; the context matters.
  • Overall: The post appears to contain a grain of truth, but it is framed in a way that sensationalises or infers more than is justified.
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Big Jeff said:
There is no such thing as UFOs.

Same as Loch Ness monsters, yetis and ghosts.

There are just weak people playing out their demons.

Sleep well citizens.
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You reckon there's noone out there in the Universe then - 'cept for us 😉

That would be one hell of a statistical anomaly given that there are an estimated billion 'earth-like ' planets in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

And there are an estimated 2 Trillion galaxies in the observable universe .

So thats billions of billions of dead rocks out there. Pretty unlikely.

But , I agree - they're all a VERY long way away and I doubt we've ever had a visit.
 
Slim999 said:
You reckon there's noone out there in the Universe then - 'cept for us 😉

That would be one hell of a statistical anomaly given that there are an estimated billion 'earth-like ' planets in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

And there are an estimated 2 Trillion galaxies in the observable universe .

So thats billions of billions of dead rocks out there. Pretty unlikely.

But , I agree - they're all a VERY long way away and I doubt we've ever had a visit.
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Nope I don’t buy it.

It’s a tourist thing.

No one has ever seen a UFO, monster, whatever.

Because they don’t exist.
 
Slim999 said:
You reckon there's noone out there in the Universe then - 'cept for us 😉

That would be one hell of a statistical anomaly given that there are an estimated billion 'earth-like ' planets in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

And there are an estimated 2 Trillion galaxies in the observable universe .

So thats billions of billions of dead rocks out there. Pretty unlikely.

But , I agree - they're all a VERY long way away and I doubt we've ever had a visit.
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What if the odds of surviving all of the survivalable events and positive events throughout the lifetime of earth is 69 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion to one?

Then our projection of alien life is maybe one in every two galaxies, then what ?
 
High Entropy said:
What if the odds of surviving all of the survivalable events and positive events throughout the lifetime of earth is 69 trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion to one?

Then our projection of alien life is maybe one in every two galaxies, then what ?
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Even if it were only one life form in every 2nd galaxy- that'd still be a trillion life forms

We only know 1 solar system- and we know there's life on one rock - and probably was one other .

So the liklihood is that there are trillions of planets out there with life on them .

But not life as we know it Jim
 
Slim999 said:
Even if it were only one life form in every 2nd galaxy- that'd still be a trillion life forms

We only know 1 solar system- and we know there's life on one rock - and probably was one other .

So the liklihood is that there are trillions of planets out there with life on them .

But not life as we know it Jim
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The problem is, for "UFOs" to have actually been aliens, it doesn't just require "planets out there with life on them."

You need planets with life on them, where the life has evolved sufficient intelligence to form civilisations and invent space travel, on planets that contain the
natural resources that would allow the development of industry, computers, rocket fuel and spacecraft, (bearing in mind how important fossil fuels have been to our own development of industry and space travel they would likely need to have also had similar past mass extinction events to ours).

All of this, PLUS they would need to have developed to this point in their scientific knowledge and industrial development at EXACTLY the right time in their history to overlap with the development of civilisation and space travel on our planet. Given the fact the universe is more than 13 BILLION years old, this throws an entire extra layer of miniscule unlikelihood on top of the already miniscule chance that all the conditions in the previous paragraph had been met.

If a civilisation were to reach their space travel era even one thousand years before us before wiping themselves out or running out of the resources necessary to continue their exploration, we would never meet them. And that's just a thousand years, which is a fraction of a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things in the history of the universe.
 
fyl2u said:
And yet you do. :p

You say "there's no such thing as UFOs" when clearly there is. There are UNIDENTIFIED objects spotted regularly.

What you mean is "there's no such thing as alien spaceships visiting Earth", which I agree with 100%.
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Yes that’s what I mean.

And there is no Loch Ness monster.
 
fyl2u said:
And yet you do. :p

You say "there's no such thing as UFOs" when clearly there is. There are UNIDENTIFIED objects spotted regularly.

What you mean is "there's no such thing as alien spaceships visiting Earth", which I agree with 100%.
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I suppose UFO’s are usually identifiable by someone, even if that’s a specific individual that launched new tech etc.
 
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