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The Pep myth


I have my FA level 1 coaching badge so I’m more than qualified to pass judgement on the man. More qualified than most on here too.

He’s a brilliant manager who has revolutionised the game. It’s scary how similar my tactics were to his when he first burst into the managerial scene at Barca
 
Grimes said:
I have my FA level 1 coaching badge so I’m more than qualified to pass judgement on the man. More qualified than most on here too.

He’s a brilliant manager who has revolutionised the game. It’s scary how similar my tactics were to his when he first burst into the managerial scene at Barca
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He must have cribbed your homework mate.😆
 
Curious one, this with Pep.

Like, people are always posting variations of it and yet you don't hear the same thing said about Alex Ferguson, do you?

Perhaps it is fair to argue that Fergie built his first time at United so earned his success more? But then Guardiola built his first team pretty much from the youth ranks/homegrown players at Barcelona, they just happened to include some of the greatest players in the world. Parallels with certainly Fergie's second team - the class of 99 one.

Equally, United were pretty much the biggest spending club even at the start of his regime, something which continued throughout until right at the end with Chelsea. I guess, maybe a small phase when the Mags spent more, for all the good it did them. But then Barca don't spend more than Real and City, in recent years, have spent less than Chelsea and United.

Maybe Ferguson has an extra CLeague to his name, but Pep is young and he'll get it. Took Feguson f***ing ages and a lot of fuck-ups to win both of his too. Didn't hear too many people saying he was a fraud because he "only" dominated league football. Clear parallels in terms of attacking football too: attacking football usually wins you leagues, but doesn't necessarily win you cups. Pep is getting on for a similar period of dominance too - not there yet, but has dominated across three leagues now for a very long time.

Interesting. Don't see why he's questioned myself, fantastic manager.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Curious one, this with Pep.

Like, people are always posting variations of it and yet you don't hear the same thing said about Alex Ferguson, do you?

Perhaps it is fair to argue that Fergie built his first time at United so earned his success more? But then Guardiola built his first team pretty much from the youth ranks/homegrown players at Barcelona, they just happened to include some of the greatest players in the world. Parallels with certainly Fergie's second team - the class of 99 one.

Equally, United were pretty much the biggest spending club even at the start of his regime, something which continued throughout until right at the end with Chelsea. I guess, maybe a small phase when the Mags spent more, for all the good it did them. But then Barca don't spend more than Real and City, in recent years, have spent less than Chelsea and United.

Maybe Ferguson has an extra CLeague to his name, but Pep is young and he'll get it. Took Feguson f***ing ages and a lot of fuck-ups to win both of his too. Didn't hear too many people saying he was a fraud because he "only" dominated league football. Clear parallels in terms of attacking football too: attacking football usually wins you leagues, but doesn't necessarily win you cups. Pep is getting on for a similar period of dominance too - not there yet, but has dominated across three leagues now for a very long time.

Interesting. Don't see why he's questioned myself, fantastic manager.
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I think the thing with Fergie comes with longevity. Since he has retired I think a lot of people have reluctantly(including myself) begrudgingly admitted acceptance of his greatness.
With a couple of CLs maybe Pep will get the same.
 
Georgewhitt said:
I think the thing with Fergie comes with longevity. Since he has retired I think a lot of people have reluctantly(including myself) begrudgingly admitted acceptance of his greatness.
With a couple of CLs maybe Pep will get the same.
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Not to mention the fact that Pep completely outclassed Ferguson to win his first CL, too
 
Georgewhitt said:
I think the thing with Fergie comes with longevity. Since he has retired I think a lot of people have reluctantly(including myself) begrudgingly admitted acceptance of his greatness.
With a couple of CLs maybe Pep will get the same.
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You're right, although Fergie tended to overthink things in Europe too. After the treble he recognised the trend for European teams to go 433 and bought Veron as an extra playmaker in midfield, whilst still maintaining the 442, 'get the ball out wide and get crosses in' style domestically. They had a good few years in the mid 2000s where they went out in the group stage or round of 16 before evolving with that Rooney/Ronaldo/Tevez front 3 and winning it. There didn't seem anywhere near as much of an emphasis on Europe then though, despite having that run of English finalists.
 
AC Mack said:
A handful (well two hands full) of games spread over several years, and all in a knockout competition. Appreciate the effort though!

Have you read Pep Confidential? That first game you mention when in charge of Bayern, Pep was absolutely kicking himself for changing his mind last minute after he'd made his decision.

He went to Bayern on a hiding to nothing after they'd won the treble, and it's pretty well accepted that he improved them beyond everyone's expectations. He revolutionised a team in a country heavily reliant on a completely different style of play.


A cup competition. Shit happens unfortunately.
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He out thinks himself, that's the problem. He gets to the knock out stages and rather than stick with the system or systems that have worked all season he sometimes goes completely random with his selection just to mix it up.
Hollby said:
Not as good as Klopp.

Still decent, mind.
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Well, if we were to use something like trophies to measure the pair then Guardiola is the better of the two.
 
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Hollby said:
"Absolutely unbelievable"

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Aye

clearly a banned poster whose come back with a 2nd username too :lol:

so I’ll take your wum wind up efforts with a pinch of salt

3 league titles including records points totals and record goals

I’d say that’s pretty good yeah, :lol:
 
The Rat said:
Aye

clearly a banned poster whose come back with a 2nd username too :lol:

so I’ll take your wum wind up efforts with a pinch of salt

3 league titles including records points totals and record goals

I’d say that’s pretty good yeah, :lol:
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Absolutely unbelievable :lol:

Here I’m creased :lol:

sending this to me mates hahaha
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Curious one, this with Pep.

Like, people are always posting variations of it and yet you don't hear the same thing said about Alex Ferguson, do you?

Perhaps it is fair to argue that Fergie built his first time at United so earned his success more? But then Guardiola built his first team pretty much from the youth ranks/homegrown players at Barcelona, they just happened to include some of the greatest players in the world. Parallels with certainly Fergie's second team - the class of 99 one.

Equally, United were pretty much the biggest spending club even at the start of his regime, something which continued throughout until right at the end with Chelsea. I guess, maybe a small phase when the Mags spent more, for all the good it did them. But then Barca don't spend more than Real and City, in recent years, have spent less than Chelsea and United.

Maybe Ferguson has an extra CLeague to his name, but Pep is young and he'll get it. Took Feguson f***ing ages and a lot of fuck-ups to win both of his too. Didn't hear too many people saying he was a fraud because he "only" dominated league football. Clear parallels in terms of attacking football too: attacking football usually wins you leagues, but doesn't necessarily win you cups. Pep is getting on for a similar period of dominance too - not there yet, but has dominated across three leagues now for a very long time.

Interesting. Don't see why he's questioned myself, fantastic manager.
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Pep already has two CLs.
 
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